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A Court of Mist and Fury, Part 3
Embark on a literary escapade that will weave you through the laughter, love, and lunacy of high fantasy worlds! With Josh's epic trek to join us (complete with a pitstop at Best Buy), we promise an episode packed with the charm of audiobooks and the secrets behind the draw of "A Court of Mist and Fury." Unwind with us as we compare notes on the alluring narration styles that transform mundane jogs into epic quests and the spellbinding tales that might just replace your workout playlist.
From the intricate spellwork in Brandon Sanderson's creations to the entwined destinies of Sarah J. Maas's heroines, we dissect what makes these authors' series bewitchingly resonate with readers—and listeners. Our candid banter flits from the gripping world-building to character arcs that spark debates, while social media's power in propelling these stories into the limelight gets its due spotlight. And when it comes to Feyre's artistry (or lack thereof), we spare no jests nor hold back on the sweetness of Cassian's confessions.
We wrap up with a hearty chat about the spicy scenes that set our pulses racing, the emotional rollercoasters of Nesta and Feyre's journeys, and the high stakes drama of immortality. Whether it's Feyre's fierce battles or the simmering tension between characters, we dissect it all with humor and heart. Plus, don't miss our foray into the Harry Potter realm, where we ponder how the series feels when you're coming at it fresh as an adult. Tune in, and let's navigate the laugh-out-loud moments and deep connections that define our favorite fantastical narratives.
Summary:
Feyre has undergone more trials than one human woman can carry in her heart. Though she's now been granted the powers and lifespan of the High Fae, she is haunted by her time Under the Mountain and the terrible deeds she performed to save the lives of Tamlin and his people.
As her marriage to Tamlin approaches, Feyre's hollowness and nightmares consume her. She finds herself split into two different one who upholds her bargain with Rhysand, High Lord of the feared Night Court, and one who lives out her life in the Spring Court with Tamlin. While Feyre navigates a dark web of politics, passion, and dazzling power, a greater evil looms. She might just be the key to stopping it, but only if she can harness her harrowing gifts, heal her fractured soul, and decide how she wishes to shape her future-and the future of a world in turmoil.
Bestselling author Sarah J. Maas's masterful storytelling brings this second book in her dazzling, sexy, action-packed series to new heights.
*Summary from Goodreads*
***Produced by Jen Hardin***
***Produced by Jen Hardin***
Was maybe expecting a little bit more smuttiness from it, and with the wings.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, Josh Thoughts. Am I wrong?
Speaker 3:I mean, I thought it was tastefully described.
Speaker 1:That's a good way to put it. It was very tasteful.
Speaker 3:That's a good way to put it, but it wasn't like over the top.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3:And sorry, the whole paint thing was not something that I was like just clear the table I know, just clear the table, your magic, I know no, there was too much passion going on.
Speaker 1:Okay, they didn't have time, but that's what I can do.
Speaker 2:Okay, have you read the first one? Hi, I'm chanel. Hi, I'm stacy. Hey, nerds, this is ashley and this is fiction fanatics. Hi, I'm Chanel. Hi, I'm Stacey. Hey, nerds, this is Ashley and this is Fiction Fanatics.
Speaker 1:Okay, we are finally recording an hour and 25 minutes later, so welcome. We have a very special guest again today. We have Josh on.
Speaker 3:Hello.
Speaker 1:Not Sarah's Josh that she's married to. We have many Joshes. I mean, we've said your name, so we can call you Josh.
Speaker 3:Brown.
Speaker 2:Everyone knows your name.
Speaker 3:Or Jeb Jeb, whichever, it's all the same.
Speaker 2:I like that actually. But yeah, thank you for coming on. I'm super excited.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2:Now that we're finally here.
Speaker 1:Not only did he have to drive like 40 minutes, but then he had to go with us to Best Buy because our SD cards were not working. Going to errands. It's been a journey, but we are here, it's been a journey, but we are here.
Speaker 2:It's been a day, yay, okay, I want to ask this question because I was trying to ask you this. So you didn't read the physical book Correct For Court of Mist and Fury you did the audio book.
Speaker 3:I love books. Yes, I do the audio book. Yes, mostly because just time constraints between, and it's a lot easier to fit books into your schedule when you know you can just listen to them, especially when you're driving, you know, to and from. I'm a dork. I listen to them when I'm working out like just stuff like that Instead of, like you know, music and stuff.
Speaker 2:I just have a book on. That's what.
Speaker 1:Danny does too. I don't know how people work out with audio books.
Speaker 2:I've never done it working out, but now I want to.
Speaker 1:I can't focus on it.
Speaker 2:Like I feel like I space off or something. She's tripping on the treadmill, just get into the zone focusing on one thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I'm going to try that it's not too bad.
Speaker 2:Okay. Well then, so you listen to the audio book. Did you listen to the dramatized version, like Danny did, where they're moaning and groaning?
Speaker 3:No, I just I got the regular one. It's performed by a single lady and I'm pretty sure she's been consistent through the three books in the series that I've read. Oh, okay, so it's the same same voice actor and she does a really great job, yeah, Like in all of them.
Speaker 2:So okay, yeah, actor, and she does a really great job, yeah, I can all them. So okay, yeah, cuz that's like part of the reason why I didn't want to listen is because I heard it was like super extra, with all the grunts and the moments, the ones that keep coming up, or like now, get the dramatized version just like good yeah, just go with the regular one and they do in parts, so that's how they get you too.
Speaker 3:They sell it in first part and second part. Yeah, Okay, Well very cool.
Speaker 2:I'm glad at least you're into audiobooks, because, yeah, I really like listening to them too, okay, well then, let's continue doing.
Speaker 3:Get to Know Josh, and what is your favorite book or series uh, sure um my favorites, uh currently um, I'm a big brandon sanderson guy, okay um uh my favorite is the stormlight archive um the wave kings okay um, my absolute favorite, and I'm really looking forward to the fifth book that's supposed to be coming out this December.
Speaker 2:I had never heard of him before and obviously, like I've gotten the past year really big in Bookstagram. And everyone has been reading him and he's like really big in book talk and stuff and his books sound really amazing so I want to read them.
Speaker 1:He's like high on my they're 40 hours long on that's like they're a thick book.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's on the on the like uh short side yeah for the, for the, the way of king series. Uh yeah, introductory though. Uh, miss born's great and like all those books are like 25 ish. I think stacy bought the first book of that series.
Speaker 1:She did, and I can't wait for her to start. I was gonna say she has she started.
Speaker 3:No, she has too many and like all those books are like 25-ish.
Speaker 2:I think Stacey bought the first book of that series. She did, and I can't wait for her to start it. I was going to say has she started?
Speaker 3:No, she has too many books to read too. Yeah, she's got a lot, yeah.
Speaker 2:But so you're saying both of his series are really good yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely the Mistborn. Like I started out with that one and with that one um and then uh, just the whole like premise of the way kings like was kind of like dang, this looks really good too. So I ended up skipping over to there and then I went back to miss ward and finished out that series both of them great and are.
Speaker 2:I guess what's the general premise, or are they? Are they pretty similar? Are they different, way different?
Speaker 3:yeah he creates like it's all supposedly taking place in, like the same universe.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:But it's like they're like different galaxies. So he creates entirely different like magic systems and like governance of the area, different things going on between the two different. One of them, the Mistborn, uh, it's all based off of metals. Um, magic is basically coming from the metals, or either inside of your body or um, I won't give too much away but cause it's all explained in there. But, um, but metals are what the the premises is on that one and then the other one, um, it's just, it's more of your traditional style, like fantasy, powers, fantasy style.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, cool, very cool. Yeah, it sounds really good. Like I said, a lot of people talk him up and I know specifically guys really like his series, maybe because he's a guy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, but I don't honestly like I don't think necessarily, like it's a guy like the, him being a guy author, um, for me personally, because I absolutely love sergeant I, uh, I've actually but I would say like she's more of a girl, uh, more girls like her books, whereas I've seen more guys talk about like on, like I said, book talk and stuff.
Speaker 1:They've talked more about him that's why I've learned okay about him.
Speaker 3:I see, what you're saying talk and stuff. They've talked more about him. That's why I've learned okay about him.
Speaker 1:I see what you're saying. Yeah, like you said, fantasy isn't a gender, it's right, it's genre, because danny likes these books too.
Speaker 3:Right, right, right anyway, but go ahead yeah, I was just gonna say I I love her books. Um, I'm working my way through, uh, throwing a glass, and I'm on the third book in the throne of glass series oh, okay, you're in the middle of that in the third book.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, cool. I um, I'm at the beginning of that book. I haven't. I kind of like you, I stopped that series to start this, the court of um thorny roses, so I need to jump back on it. Do which. Do you prefer which series? He's going to say Miss Bourne, he's like neither one of hers, don't even act like it's this You're obsessed with that series.
Speaker 3:Well, no, no, out of her, out of her.
Speaker 1:Oh, out of her, sorry, sorry.
Speaker 2:Akatar or Throne of Glass. Which do you prefer?
Speaker 3:It's tough. They're both good.
Speaker 1:I really like the third book in this series yeah, the third book is my favorite so far, and I thought it was this one.
Speaker 3:I stopped it to get people like to catch up you know because I. I went into it and I was so far ahead of everybody so like I couldn't talk with anybody.
Speaker 2:So, um, but I also heard the third book of throne of glass is where it really gets good yeah, they're so they're all pretty good right now.
Speaker 3:It's tough. Yeah, I have to say probably Throne of Glass. I think that the main character in there, she's a badass, she is a badass.
Speaker 2:I've heard a lot of people say that, compared to feyra, who I think I feel like she becomes in, she comes into her own and she we're on the second book, so I feel like she has the potential and she probably will be amazing, but I feel like selena from the get-go from the get-go is amazing and she, I already know, is going. She can only go up.
Speaker 1:I know what I mean.
Speaker 2:She starts amazing and I'm like she's only gonna. I know she goes up because, like I said, I already like on the third book, whereas, like farah, starts at the bottom and then, I think makes it to the top you know right so um you know it's the journey, right so it's like, whatever you're into, you know what I mean. So, yeah, they're both great series. They're both great series obviously they are.
Speaker 2:And I haven't even started Crescent City, which is a big honker of a book, but I feel like people will like that. That's her other series, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I haven't really looked into Crescent City, yet just because I have so many things to read right now so yeah, okay, well, we're still gonna ask this, even though you haven't mentioned it at all. But what's your favorite? Harry Potter, yeah, my favorite. He hasn't read Harry Potter. You read Harry Potter and and get this Ashley. Our friend Ashley tried to tell him that he needed that, was the next series.
Speaker 1:He needed to do an audiobook and he's not going to do it I'm not saying, I'm not going, you're not saying you are going to do it though that's true, it's true you just need to do it okay, have you watched the movie?
Speaker 2:yeah, okay, well, I guess what's your favorite movie? We'll take that, cop out um the books are so good, though there's so much more especially I mean I'm sure you probably talked to danny like he loves the audiobook.
Speaker 1:He says audiobooks are like he listens to them before he goes to sleep at night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he says they're really well done, so like you might like those better than just actually reading them. You know what I mean? Sure, yeah, yeah, but I. I'm not opposed to going and like this is what I say when I'm not gonna, he's not, he's not going to do it, he's not going to do it. I'm like sure, I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 1:He's just lying to all the listeners right now he's not going to do it.
Speaker 3:Okay, I will 100% go through all the audiobooks.
Speaker 1:You just got to harass him into it and he'll do it.
Speaker 3:I will. I will Guilty.
Speaker 2:My favorite, um got a lot of fire. Okay, yeah, I feel like there's a solid answer. The book's better A lot of people.
Speaker 3:I have no doubt.
Speaker 1:The movie is good too, though. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a lot of people like got a lot of fire.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And what is your favorite genre of book that you like to read?
Speaker 3:Hmm, um, probably fantasy slash high fantasy. Um probably fantasy slash high fantasy.
Speaker 2:Um, you know elves dwarves, lord of the Rings, Dragons yeah, that kind of stuff's pretty cool yeah.
Speaker 3:Um, this is right along the lines of what I like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely, definitely Fantasy. That's a good one. It's a hard one to beat.
Speaker 1:You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean Then you throw a little romance in it and Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Romantasy throw a little romance in it and romantic-y.
Speaker 2:Yeah, alright, alright. These are good, good answers, except for the Harry Potter one.
Speaker 3:Yeah besides that, we're good, we'll take it. We'll take it, I know, I know.
Speaker 2:Alright.
Speaker 1:Ready, ashley. Yeah, so we're doing part three of A Court of Mist and Fury. We're doing the House of Mist. How many times have I said mist so far? Chanelel?
Speaker 2:I mean one so far but she says it a hundred and one, so um, so we left off.
Speaker 1:Feyra has found out that risand is her mate and she's very grumpy about it. We love faded mates yeah, but she's very grumpy about it. She's so um soi. Takes her to this isolated cabin and up in uh, the alerian mountains yeah, and it sounds like a dream cabin, beautiful and magical, and yeah, yeah, um. She hangs out there for a few days by herself and this is when she starts to paint again all I could think about was was was okay.
Speaker 2:Have you? Did you notice this?
Speaker 1:because I didn't notice this until ashley pointed this out and I only knew this from a tiktok that I had watched.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you know this theory?
Speaker 1:yes, then she's not a good painter. But nobody ever actually says it's good, so good, yeah, never I mean, they don't say it's bad, but they just, they're just like oh, what is this like?
Speaker 2:oh, is this like? They just point out what it is, they just describe it, or they just are like, and I just was cracking up this entire chapter because it's just it's descriptions or, and I think actually, at one point I think reese says nice, he does say like oh, it's nice.
Speaker 1:It's nice, that's how you want art described it was so terrible.
Speaker 2:I'm like oh man, she's.
Speaker 3:It's all I could think of is like kids finger thing is, she definitely has some talent, though, because she was able to match the silver of the eyes or the different colors of the eyes that she was painting about the doorframe. So she I mean she can at least mix paint, right, who's it more?
Speaker 3:she like recognizes me. He's like well, you need to point and put mine up there so that way, when the guys are taking their long weekends here, you know drinking and being guys like they know, we're watching them that's all I thought about too when I was reading this.
Speaker 1:It's like I wish I didn't know this theory until after this book I know, but it it's, so it made it funny though it brought some joy to me, right, anyway, okay. So this is a big deal for her because she hasn't painted since Under the Mountain, so this is a big step in her personal journey.
Speaker 2:Good for her. Sorry, what's?
Speaker 1:it do. Finally, Reese shows up. Finally, Either, I don't remember now. More brings him. You probably know You've listened to it more recently than I have.
Speaker 3:Uh he flies there on his own?
Speaker 2:Does he fly there on his? Own yeah, he flies there on his own.
Speaker 1:Figures it out Injured.
Speaker 2:Yeah, injured.
Speaker 1:And, um, they like talk. They have these moments and she is starting to make him soup. And this is when we learn that traditionally with them, if you make your mate, if you're not mated yet food, it's saying that you accept the mating bond. So this is a big deal for them. And then she makes him soup.
Speaker 2:I feel like this is you get the complete picture of their relationship, right, like he fills in the gaps on what on his side of the story? Right, yes, when they first met, right like he had art, he'd been having dreams about her and hearing her and so he already, like knew who she was kind of. And then, right, like he'd been sending her like the night sky, and that's when she painted the night sky on her yeah, that was, that was back before, like she even came over to like yeah three years ago, according to yeah, I have, I have that page tabbed when he's talking about when he started having dreams of her.
Speaker 1:It was three years ago from that day. So yeah, it was before.
Speaker 2:Yeah and he was like uh, that was when he was like under the mountain himself at that time and, like he said, that was like something that like helped him maintain his sanity yes, because he's going through all that with amarantha and like right, like being used and abused, and um and so he's like there's someone out there who, like I, I I don't know who she is, I don't even know if he really knew it was his mate.
Speaker 1:But he was like I'm connected with someone.
Speaker 2:And she's or he is strong and I need to meet this person. And then he meets her eventually and it's like, oh, it's you, but obviously realizes that she's with Tamlin. And then he puts it to you find out, right after she frees everyone from under the mountain, his reaction, right, you kind of called it and you were like something wasn't right. When he like flew away really quickly, Something was off and you're like, oh, it was because he had put together that they were mates. So it was kind of cool to get his timeline of kind of what was happening from his point of view with their relationship and stuff.
Speaker 1:So yeah, it was a lot of telling, though I felt like yeah it was like this whole story because it was that and that he talks about Amaranthia and Jurian and how everybody lost their powers under there.
Speaker 2:I was like, yeah, we're getting a full story five pages of story, but it was good.
Speaker 1:You need it. Yeah, it was sweet and it builds their connection. And is this one used? Because I remember you, me and Josh fought when we had discussions when we were reading this book. Is this when you started to to like re-sand more?
Speaker 3:Wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 2:I was supposed to be Tamlin from initially. Initially I was Tamlin. Me too, me too, oh yeah, everybody. Any background on this, yeah me too, me too.
Speaker 3:You know, know, and then it wasn't.
Speaker 1:This is why you don't trust a blonde. I didn't like Tamlin from the beginning. Ooh, I'm just kidding. I liked Tamlin in the first book.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like the first book, he was great and then he like snapped under the mountain right and like the little like anger outbursts and stuff like that, I'm just like what is wrong with this dude, you know Um, and then you know re saved her and like I think that like when he, when he basically pulled her away from the wedding, you know, saved her from that.
Speaker 3:Um, you know, that's when you're just you start to think there's a little bit more to it than that. Um, I would say, here is probably, uh, actually, a little later in the book is when I'm when you really start liking really start liking Reese a lot more. You, you see glimpses like the whole family unit he's built around him.
Speaker 2:Um, like the whole family unit he's built around him.
Speaker 3:Um the importance, yes, the sacrifices the importance of the people who are close to him yeah those kind of things and you know you can't help but not end up liking the guy yeah, and then with all of the extra stuff that tamlin did in this book, it's just like we'll wait till the third book.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, because we haven't even gotten, like you said, to what tamlin did. But the other thing I wanted to ask you, now that we're talking about your reaction, because Sarah mentioned that, which I actually kind of agree that you were like Rhys is never around when you need him, because there's, and I kind of agree in certain, especially in this book, to an extent, yes, because we had we talked sarah in the last part, like the weaver uh part test that she went through you know, he purposely put her through that and then didn't didn't help.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really, she had to get through that. But at the same point, um, he wanted to like test her strength and like she kind of needed it to like push her to come out. And then, um, we also see like he set her up right with that candle, to have her get kidnapped by the adder, right like he wasn't around and right like you're gonna use her as bait. Right, she gets mad. But again, that was his plan because they needed information and then we'll talk about this, I'm sure, later. But he's not around when, um, they get attacked. Yeah, and philarus, now, that wasn't his fault yeah, but that was just him.
Speaker 3:I think that was just a yeah, he had to go and visit like he had to go back under yeah to the court of nightmares so
Speaker 1:so.
Speaker 2:I don't really blame him for that, but it's always kind of like, well, you're not you aren't really around, you know, or you kind of put her in a bad situation.
Speaker 2:But I think it's also proving a point of like she needs to like to like grow. She needed these steps to like test her powers, test her strength, like get out of her depression and move forward, grow as a person and grow, yeah, in her strength, versus Tamlin, who was like caging her in, never letting her go Like I think it was kind of more of like a freedom and I want you to be my equal kind of thing.
Speaker 3:Right. Sometimes maybe a little too much, yeah, like he gave her definitely all the autonomy that, like she could have possibly wanted. Yeah, she could she could do anything. You know, um, if she wanted to like go with him on a mountain, you can go.
Speaker 2:If she wanted to to leave and go back to the spring court, if she could have went but obviously she didn't right right right, which just shows like that's what she needed in a partner and a mate or whatever, and that's why she gravitated towards Reese versus Tamlin, who was so constricting, and but when we first heard that Sarah was like Josh said he's never around when you meet him it sounds so terrible Like well, yeah, but it is kind of true Like she had to like kind of conquer all these things by herself.
Speaker 1:But I know. I wonder if that was intentional.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, like when she was writing this she was kind of like yeah, like she needs to do it on her own, yeah. Yeah, yeah, like that was that's part of her, yeah, character growth. She needed to, but anyway. So I thought it was just kind of funny when she mentioned that, I was like no, but I was like yeah, that might actually, that might actually be true. Where was he?
Speaker 1:Yeah, where is he Anyway? So, yeah, we get this whole long history story. They get close and then, after all, this Feyre offers him the soup, so she's accepting his mating pond which is a huge deal, yay.
Speaker 1:And then is Chapter 55, which is which I have some thoughts. Okay, so Chapter oh. Okay, go ahead, go ahead. Maybe it was the buildup of it. So Chapter 55 is when they finally have sex. Okay, and maybe I was just expecting more, because we're talking what? Two books at this point? Two books, two books, because we're almost. This is page like 529. So like we're at the end of this book. Again, also side note, so much stuff happens in the end of these books, like the last 50 pages of all of her books. It's like you think all this stuff happened and then 50 pages it's like the whole world has ended and reborn again, or something.
Speaker 3:It's the equivalent of a cliffhanger of good shows.
Speaker 2:That's what it is. It's good. It's great, it's the season finale.
Speaker 1:Right, it is super romantic, like they're rolling around in all these paints on the table or something I know. Yeah, there's paint everywhere. They're ruining her beautiful artwork. I mean it's not bad. I mean I enjoyed the chapter and I'm glad that they finally had sex. I just was maybe expecting a little bit more smuttiness from it, and with the wings.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, Josh.
Speaker 1:Thoughts Am I wrong.
Speaker 3:I mean. I thought it was tastefully described.
Speaker 1:That's a good way to put it. It was very tasteful.
Speaker 3:That's a good way to put it Right was very tasteful. That's a good way to put it Right, but it wasn't like over the top.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3:And sorry, the whole paint thing was not something that I was like just clear the table.
Speaker 2:I know, just clear the table, you're magic, I know.
Speaker 1:No, there was too much passion going on. Okay, they didn't have time.
Speaker 3:But that's what I think, too, too okay, have you read fourth wing? I have not. That's. That's on my list. Okay, because danny, really yeah, daniel loves fourth wing.
Speaker 2:I think you would really like fourth wing too, because it's very similar vibes and you already know you have to read fourth anyway. Um, especially with azrael, it's very similar vibes to him.
Speaker 2:I love that I love azrael, and the main guy is very similar to him and actually the other main guy is similar, tamlin vibe. So anyway, but, um, but their sex scene in fourth wing is like it's similar to this where it's like so unrealistic, like the paint scene, like in there. Uh, I'm gonna spoil it, but they don't have sex on a bed, they have sex on every the wall, the, the, the desk. But there's literally a bed in the room. I'm like just go on the bed instead of hurting yourself. Like why don't you like it's so? Some people don't like the bed, chanel. I mean, they're breaking the cabinets, they're breaking every. I'm like I'm not kidding kidding, it's like Twilight.
Speaker 1:They just demolished the whole room.
Speaker 2:She says she wakes up. The bed was pristine, the covers were just.
Speaker 1:Everything else is shattered around besides the bed. You have to have somewhere to sleep.
Speaker 2:But this girl in the book. She has a physical disability where her limbs limbs like her joints hurt, like and I'm like, why are you hurting this girl?
Speaker 1:You can just put her on the bed. The plot didn't call for it, yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, her body's going to be so sore.
Speaker 3:She's going to be all locked up, not being able to move Cause she slept like on the floor on top of a broken table cabinet over top of her.
Speaker 2:I was reading that scene and I'm dying laughing.
Speaker 1:I'm like I think I don't think I was supposed to laugh in this sexy anyway you know what I think the real issue is is that stacy and stacy and ashley have made me read like the smuttiest of smut, yeah, like fan fictions and like books. That's like now, very tasteful, like sexy. I'm like this sucks.
Speaker 2:You know, it's really probably great, it's so vanilla.
Speaker 3:I need hardcore. This is like the pumpkin spice latte.
Speaker 1:I need the orchard scene from Dead of.
Speaker 2:Time. Seriously, I mean, I felt the same way. Like you said, it was tastefully done, but seriously. They talked about how sensitive his wings were. That's exactly they said. They talk about it a lot. He could come from touching his wings and she didn't. Literally, he said play later. I was like later.
Speaker 1:And guess what? Later, never happens, later, never happens, never happens. I was like Because the scene when they're flying together to the Court of Nightmares for the first time and she touches his wings I thought that was more passionate than this whole chapter, that one little five minute.
Speaker 2:Like breathing in his ear. Yes, I was thinking. I was like, yes, and then this happens and I was like play later, that's all you're gonna leave, play later. I literally had to switch to another book. No, you did it, I did. I switched to black butcher of blackbird because it was more passionate than this shit. No, it's just tasteful.
Speaker 1:Chanel, it's tasteful.
Speaker 3:That's right Tasteful. I was so jealous.
Speaker 1:Because what you're talking about, like this Butcher and Blackbird, that again, this is more of like the smuttiest kind of smut that Stacey and Ashley would recommend. Ashley won't even recommend some of the books to me because she says I can't handle it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's that's how I don't read books that are that smutty. It's normally like if I want really good smut, I just read fan fiction. Yeah, because I'm like that stuff is XXX rated. I'm like I need something hot.
Speaker 1:Anyway, okay, yeah, so that was chapter 55. They have soup, they have sex and paint Tastefully that. They have soup, they have sex and paint Tastefully. That's a great night Tastefully Paint and sex. I do love some good soup. Anyways, after this they have another meeting with the human queens who are terrible by the way, and they are just the worst.
Speaker 1:They show them Valaris and that little orb thing and they're just not impressed, they're just like we don't care basically she knew it was a bad idea from the get-go and I mean kind of foreshadowing the whole thing.
Speaker 3:I know you knew that it was going to end up ending bad.
Speaker 1:But there's nothing else. I feel like there were no other options though Right right this was the only way to prove that these queens were not on their side. Besides the golden-haired queen who actually, she has, like, stolen the books from the queen and she leaves it under her chair in a box for them when they leave. So, they do get the book. They get the book.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because the book they get the book. Yeah, because she like turns on them and you find out that the sixth queen died mysteriously. So she basically alludes to the fact that they kind of killed her the other queens killed that final right um. Can I also point out, I'm here for cassie I was gonna read a quote I go.
Speaker 1:Do you read yours first, because it might be the same one.
Speaker 2:Well, this is actually. Is it on 553? Because I feel like your quote, Mine's 559, so you read yours first.
Speaker 2:This is Cassian Okay, it says. When she finally noticed Cassian, she looked up at him. His voice was rough. As he said 500 years ago I fought on battlefields not far from this house. I fought besides. Human and fairy alike bled beside them. I will stand on that battlefield again, nesta Archeron, to protect this house and your people. I can think of no better way to end my existence than to defend those who need it most. I watched a tear slide down Nesta's cheek and I watched as Cassian reached up a hand to wipe it away, and she did not flinch from his touch. I'm like that's who I'm here for. They need to get together right now.
Speaker 1:Josh, do you like Cassian, or Cassian and Nesta? Because I feel like those are your, like that's your kind of couple. Yeah, nice and fiery.
Speaker 3:I think cassian's one of the greatest characters in the book.
Speaker 1:He's I will agree with that.
Speaker 3:He just happens to get hurt all the time. Well, he's really bad in this one, in the next one, but and it comes a little later in this one, so I think it goes with his personality he's all fight he doesn't think anything through he's selfless when it comes to that he is absolutely gonna like stand up for the people who can't stand up for themselves, but that's.
Speaker 2:Nesta too. Yes, like she comes off like a bitch.
Speaker 3:She is a little rough.
Speaker 2:But it's to protect herself, yeah, protect herself and it's kind of interesting, and maybe this is the quote you're going to read, where Feyre tells, randomly, tells Cassie, yes, that that's how she is right.
Speaker 1:I think that's what I um, that is.
Speaker 2:That. Is that your quote? Yeah, that's my. It's because I loved that it's my quote.
Speaker 1:who is she? It's Feyre is just scratch, yeah, cassie and Anne Risan. She says I think Nesta feels everything, sees too much, sees and feels it all and she burns with it, keeping that wall up helps from being overwhelmed from caring too greatly. Or yeah, she says Nesta is different from most people. She comes across as rigid and vicious, but I think it's a wall, a shield, Yep.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so, like I said, it comes off like she's a bitch, but I think she's similar to Cassian in that way earth and heaven, like, just like, sunder everything in order to protect them, yeah, which I mean knowing that she is not an evil person is a good thing, I know.
Speaker 2:Cause you seem like it at the beginning.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Like and and I I've heard somewhere I don't remember where I heard it but like. The difference between like the villain and the hero is that the villain will, um like, do anything for a single person, whereas the hero will work for the greater good.
Speaker 1:And this is why I like the villain.
Speaker 3:She is definitely like those people like, focused singularly and will forget everything else in order to protect those people forget everything else in order to protect those people. So knowing that she's, she is a a good person deep down is is kind of reassuring because, man, with the, the things that happened to her later and the power that you learned, that she gets like she could be real dangerous yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, this is like. This is the newest book that's out. I know that sergeant mass is supposed to have a new one coming out this year, but the court of silver flames I think it's. Most of that is nesta's point of view, and I've heard that you get a lot more of her childhood and her backstory and I guess everything kind of comes together with why she is the way she is so that would be interesting. Um, yeah, I this book.
Speaker 1:I really loved any scene that nesta and cassian were together even if it was just for a couple minutes it was great just, I love characters who instantly have chemistry together like that, I liked it chemistry and try to deny it yeah, enemies to lovers it was good.
Speaker 1:It was good um, so this isn't that surprising, I guess, since the human queens were able to see valaris in this globe. But so valaris ends up getting attacked and this was terrible and really good at the same time, because we really get to see pharaoh's powers on her own in this, and it incredible, but also it's so sad, because they take the human queen that gave them the book and the adder like throws her from the sky onto some kind of pole thing and like she's impaled on it and she's still alive. When she's impaled on it, it was terrible. Yeah, it was terrible. When she's impaled on it, it was terrible. Yeah, it was terrible. But yeah, feyre, she like makes these wolves out of water and they're like drowning and like attacking people.
Speaker 2:She like, yeah was a badass. It was cool to see her step up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she shows off like multiple of her powers Because, like the ones that are flying like, they get attacked by water hawks and they start laughing at her and then she's just like breeze and like they fall and shatter. Yeah, like she's total badass through that entire.
Speaker 1:What about when she grabs that adder and she becomes like a flame holding on to him, like that was Kills him and like stabs him, like winnows out right, they both hit the pavement. That was insane. This was also I thought this was so well done the way that she described some of this, because I was so anxious when I was reading it Right For her yeah, like I don't even know if I tabbed anything during that, because I during that, because I was so into the book at the time that I just wasn't even. And Rhysand is not here for this he's. Where did he go? Again? He's at the Court of Nightmares.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he was at the Court of Nightmares. Well, he does show up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he does show up.
Speaker 3:It's after. Cassian and Asriel are defending him and she's like trying to save the rainbow, right, she's the savior of the rainbow. He to save the rainbow, right, she's the savior of the rainbow. Um, uh, he's like there, and I find it interesting that like she didn't even really respond to him when he showed up and was like she like shuts him out, right like puts up all of her walls or something. Yeah, I I don't know, um, I think maybe because, like it seemed like she really wanted to kill the adder.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she did yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she had to get revenge yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he was really. I mean, his response is interesting as well. I think it also shows a difference between him and Tamlin, right, like he was so upset I can't remember the words he used. Oh, I have it right here. He said how could I scold you for defending my people? I want to throttle you, yes, for not going back to the townhouse, but you chose to fight for them, for valeris. And he says I don't deserve you. And then he kissed my neck. So like he's so mad, right, because he's probably so scared for her and like, right, like.
Speaker 2:But at the same time he's like I can't, I can't. You literally my like, his heart, his people she chose to fight and defend and he knows that she's so capable. So he's like look, of course I can't be mad at you. You, this is what I want, I love you and you're like so, yeah, I can't, I can't be mad at you like I versus I feel like tamlin.
Speaker 3:Just it would have been all rage or jealousy or in anger, and I mean, let's be honest, if it was Tamlin she wouldn't have been out on the street. She would have been like locked in the house. I mean, he wouldn't have let her leave the, the, the manor or whatever it's. It's just that, the huge difference between the two, you know, giving her the freedom and the choices, where then taking them all away.
Speaker 2:Like it's yeah, yeah. But I thought that was such an interesting reaction where I feel like his anger is more like fear for her safety and love and and clearly like he doesn't punish her for that he's more like an awe and grateful, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely that he's more like an awe and um and grateful. You know, yeah, absolutely yeah, um. So this is, a lot of people die. But they get valaris back under control, they put the wards back up, um, things settle down a little bit and there's this like small little moment that is sweet where resand gives feyra his mother's ring that she stole from the Weaver and they decided to share a bedroom. Like she moves into Rhysand's bedroom so they're essentially like married. Now is kind of the vibe that's going on here.
Speaker 3:You, you mentioned it earlier. Right, you were. You were talking about the reason like reese not being there to help her with that. Like that was a test, though, right that's what. That's what he said in essence like it's like my mother said that if anybody can get it, then they deserve.
Speaker 1:You kind of thing, I mean yeah, he, and he couldn't go in there because the weaver could smell him and could not smell thera until she started freaking out.
Speaker 2:But it also doesn't look good because you're like freaking, help her Like she's having a panic attack.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I get it, but I mean, she had to do it.
Speaker 2:She had to.
Speaker 3:It had to have been her, otherwise, like his mother, would have never accepted it.
Speaker 2:Even though she's not in the picture, yeah, yeah, he had to prove that she really was his mate. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so then after this we get this one sweet moment and then all hell breaks loose again. This is like the last ten pages of the book. I know, right, they have the book. Amaran has been like studying the book in the background and stuff and they all decide to go to Highburn because they have figured out a way to sneak in, to get to the cauldron and they're going to try to nullify the cauldron with a spell that Amren knows. And you want it to go well, so badly.
Speaker 2:You really do. I mean, why would we want it to go bad?
Speaker 1:You want it to go well and you think it can't go that bad because there's not that many pages left. But it goes terribly wrong.
Speaker 2:I didn't know it would go this way. Does that make sense? I thought it couldn't go well, but I guess I just didn't expect Tam Linden.
Speaker 1:I did not see this coming?
Speaker 2:I didn't see it. You knew the king wasn't going to be good, Right yeah, but I was like fucking Tamlin.
Speaker 3:Yeah. This and you knew the chances of success on the whole nullifying the cauldron thing were probably pretty slim to start with yeah, yeah, Even though they had what sounded like a solid plan, yeah, going into it yeah, it looks good on paper yeah well, so it doesn't work.
Speaker 1:Um and tamlin, lucian and amaranth or um what's her name? The priestess um Ianthe, ianthe, yeah, show up with Jurian. Jurian and her sisters, like everybody, is here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, all the rest of the queens except for like one.
Speaker 1:The one they killed.
Speaker 3:Well, no.
Speaker 1:Oh, the quote-unquote sick one. Yes, that has not been shown at all in the book. She's just always gone um. And we find out that tamlin it was so sad, I know um. You find out that tamlin and ianthi have pretty much sold out pharah's sisters to get pharah back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, by Amphion, like specifically, specifically yes, because Feyre had been talking about her sisters and where they were and all the details about her life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's conniving, I'm telling you like when she was at her lowest and needed help, like you know, basically like anorexic and just like in a huge depression like she just takes all that information.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what is so wild to me is how stupid tamlin is. Like his whole plan, his whole plan. Just none of it makes sense to me, like I'm gonna get you back by betraying everybody. Like do you not know her at all? She, she was going to, like, sacrifice herself to save everybody the dude is sober and now you're. And now you're doing this. What she did is for nothing, basically because you're letting high burn into, like your lands and stuff, which is what they were fighting against.
Speaker 2:Okay, I didn't even think about that but I was thinking it was dumb because you know her whole life is for her family and sisters, right Like she almost died of starvation to keep her sisters, her family, alive.
Speaker 1:So betraying and bringing her sisters in. But see, I blame Ianthe for that, because what Tamlin's deal right was to let the army in to hit the spring court, and I think Ianthe threw her sisters in. Okay, right, yeah, it was Ianthe deal right was to let the army into hit the spring court and I think I, anthony I anthony threw her sisters in okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was I anthony, because, like because originally I felt the same way too and she was like, well, he didn't really do the sister thing but maybe he would have I don't know, but I at this point, yeah, I mean he's like high burn in there.
Speaker 2:Yes, I guess that's true, but I guess my. The other thing is like, like you said, you partnered with Ianthe, like you brought this snake in. But you're right Either way, they're both stupid planes, the sisters.
Speaker 1:I was just rolling my eyes reading this. I was like this guy is thirsty and desperate and making all the wrong choices.
Speaker 2:But I think that's it, I think, you see, at the beginning of the book, because he's, I think he's so traumatized. That's why he put her in this glass box.
Speaker 1:He's so broken, he's so broken dude go to therapy. You think there's therapy?
Speaker 3:there's gotta be if they had faith, therapy, I therapy. I'm sure that.
Speaker 1:Tamlin needs it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:Maybe a mood stabilizer.
Speaker 2:That's what I was saying. Whatever episode we had Danny on, both of them are so traumatized they couldn't even talk to each other.
Speaker 2:All they kept doing was having sex when they were having those nightmares he would ignore. When she was having nightmares, she would ignore him. She was having nightmares, she would ignore him. And I think he was just clinging on to her so hard that that's why I pushed her away. So I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying, like you said, he's so broken yeah, he can't think straight, absolutely he cannot think straight.
Speaker 3:and yeah, it's just, it's. It's terrible. Yeah, he makes all the stupid mistakes. All of them Basically pushed her right to his enemy.
Speaker 2:That is a good, perfect wording, perfect.
Speaker 1:Yes, so it's a mess. Her sisters are there. They're obviously upset. They've all like. Cassian is almost or as well. Both of them have been beat up, but asriel is about to die. Durian like shoots an arrow like through his chest right and it's got that.
Speaker 3:What is what's? The name bloodbath yeah yeah, and, and the king has control of it. It's like I can send it straight to his heart. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:Mor's freaking out, she's upset. Yeah, she's there. She's crying Like it's. I was so stressed out reading this. I was like what is it's? There's 10 pages left.
Speaker 2:And then the queens have made a deal with the king, because this cauldron, which is really a bath, a giant bath, clawfoot tub, is what I'm picturing. Yeah, they want what's in it, which is, you know, he's like brewed up some potion or whatever to be able to turn them immortal. So, if so, they want, but they want proof right to be able, be able to.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's you know looking at it from their point of view it's kind of a stretch to think that like, oh, this guy who's been historically evil is going to actually help us get what we want.
Speaker 2:To turn immortal. So they're like. We want proof to be able to Because, like you said, going through like getting dunked in this bath, it's like a lot of tension or whatever on a mortal's body right Right. So they're like okay, we'll dunk these sisters in and see if they make it out alive.
Speaker 1:So Elena's first, they put her in the cauldron. So elena's first, they put her in the cauldron. It's, this is terrible on so many different different levels for everybody involved. Like obviously nesta, because of how protective she is for elaine, like, and it's just, it's just so terrible they put her in. I think it's in the not this book, obviously, but the book that's from nesta's point of view.
Speaker 1:Later you actually find out what happens in the cauldron and I guess it's terrible so we don't even know like it seemed terrible yeah, um, because when elaine is like dumped out of it, which this is also terrible, like you can see through her nightgown, she's totally exposed. She's obviously been in pain um ferris throwing up on the floor, it's. It's just a terrible experience, but one of my favorite parts is when they decide to put nesta oh, I was gonna say, when tamlin says stop, and then nothing, like he literally just stopped I rolled my eyes so hard.
Speaker 1:The king didn't know such thing like this idiot yeah but when they put nesta in, this is when I really really started to like nesta, because she, she is like fighting these phase off and I mean it's a struggle to get her into the cauldron, like we're talking about these immortal high phase or having a hard time getting this mortal into a cauldron or into the cauldron. And it says where is it? I've seen a sticker with this, by the way. Um, that looks. This says it's just a hand is that it the finger.
Speaker 1:And as nesta's head was forced under the water and as that hand was violently hit and as that hand was violently shoved down, the king of highburn had the good sense to look somewhat unnerved because she, okay, because there it is, teeth bared. Nesta pointed one finger at the king of high burn, had the good sense to look somewhat unnerved because she, okay, because there it is, teeth bared. Nesta pointed one finger at the king of high burn. One finger, a curse, and a damning, a promise. So there's a sticker of a bathtub and it's a hand that's just pointing out nesta pointing at the king of high burn. Um, and and so then, right after that, after they, after she's poured out, there's a quote that I liked and it said where is it?
Speaker 2:Nesta was different.
Speaker 1:Yes, it says I knew that she was different from. However Elaine had been made, nesta was different Even before she took her first breath. I felt it as if the, as if the cauldron and making her had been forced to give more than it wanted. As if Nesta had fought even after she went under and had decided that if she was going to be dragged into hell, she was taking that cauldron with her, and as if that finger she pointed was now a death promise to the king of Highburn.
Speaker 2:Well, that was, yeah, that was amazing. Well, that was, yeah, that was amazing. My thing, which I had an inkling from, like the way he was reacting, was we also find out?
Speaker 3:lucian and elaine, yeah, as mates. So the whole time he's reacting.
Speaker 2:I was like something's going on with lucian. It was like it was just weird. His whole manner for elaine was was interesting. And then so the whole time she goes under, he's like it says he's like staggered forward while she's like being dragged by these guards and he's like saying like that's enough. And then she's obviously like elaine's fighting too yeah, she's not as much as nesta or whatever and then when she gets dragged out, she's like slumped on the floor, like you said, and she's like super exposed and he's like don't just leave her on the damn floor.
Speaker 2:Like he's super like protective of her and then um, and then after she's brought out and and nesta is, then um, nesta goes over and is kind of like protective over Elaine. But Lucien is he's like shocked, like looking at Elaine and all you see is it says his face. It says Elaine is looking at Lucien and it says she had finally taken him in. It says dark brown eyes had met one russet eye and one metal eye, sorry. It says his lucian's hands had slackened at his side and his voice broke when he whispered to elaine, you're my mate. And so this whole time, like I said, like something was like charged in the air where he just kind of knew, and it solidified once she officially became like yeah, once she looked him dead in the eye and was like that one eye I always think of the eye from mad eye movie.
Speaker 1:That's what I think just swirling around, but it's obviously not what's going on.
Speaker 2:But that's I think, but it's clearly not good, Like Nesta's really mad because she's like what are you doing? And yeah, it's, they keep them separated. Like they don't get to have their magical paint love affair Anyway.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so Elaine and Nesta have been turned into high fae via the cauldron and everybody's not happy and then a lot also kind of happens here. So yeah, I think this again shows how smart feyra is. This broke my heart, but it was sad. So she pretends to have like this moment, Like some spell or something is coming off of her and she like runs to Tamlin and is like acting like the Reese's had her under a mind control spell. Basically, she asks the King of Highbird to break the spell, this bond, their deal or whatever, and you think it's the mating bond. Or she does ask him to break the mating bond, yeah, and he you think he does. And it's really sad. It's heartbreaking because they're both sad, but then so let me make sure I don't confuse this, I just read this so this all happens the bond is broken, but not the mating bond. Not the mating bond, it's their deal is broken and not the mating bond.
Speaker 3:Not the mating bond, it's just the bargain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when they made under the mountain yes, well, technically nobody knows that they've had the mating bond done either, right? No, so that's not known yet. But, um, so I'm trying to give the order. This happens because they get her sisters out like they all make it back to she like.
Speaker 2:So, before that happens, she does like a um, a spell internally and, yes, she breaks, because they're all held there yeah, none of their magic can work. So she does an internal with her magic, breaks the awards, awards and like breaks those, then goes to the king and asked him and she, like I don't know, silently communicates to reese.
Speaker 1:Like you guys can leave, or take my, get my sisters out of here. Yeah, so they um leave and she's going to go back to the spring court with tamlin and lucian, and then it goes. Let me see here.
Speaker 3:Which almost made her throw up in her mouth.
Speaker 1:Yes, I don't blame her.
Speaker 3:She backed into him like, and he put his hand on her shoulder.
Speaker 1:Well, can you imagine her in that moment, though, like her sisters and everything that bond was, I was going to say everything that had just happened, that she knew, like she already didn't really like Tamlin.
Speaker 2:Then she sees that he had done this and made this, and then you think that she wants to go with you.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:I was like are you really going to believe this? Yeah, what.
Speaker 3:Well, I think that's why Lucien's in the end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's the only one that is kind of smart in this whole situation.
Speaker 3:Yes, it's like how did you break the bond? I just wanted to, so I did, I just did.
Speaker 1:So when Racine gets back to the townhouse, amron is there and Amron is like very upset and she like wants to know what's going on. And so I have this quote. Let's see here, not consort Amron, blurted, blurted, blinking. I haven't seen her surprise in centuries. Not consort, not wife farah is high lady of the night court, my equal in every way. She would wear my crown, sit on a throne beside me, never sidelined, never designated to breeding and parties and child rearing. My queen and I just thought that's amazing. So you find out not only did they get mated, but reesean made her high lady of the night court, yeah, which is just amazing. So they had planned for all of this to go to shit, which, thank god, they did. Because I was like did nobody plan for anything that this wasn't going to? Yeah, not go, well, I know. And then the book ends so like they go the whole time. I'm reading this, the last few pages, I'm like tamlin is an idiot like what is.
Speaker 1:He is so delusional. Right now again, he needs therapy. That is why. But he is so delusional and I just think it's amazing. The last line of this book is and so tamlin, unwitting, unwittedly led the high lady of the night court into the heart of his territory I know, yeah, like you said, and reese or and lucian is the only one that has these doubts. That is just like yeah, and he likes pharaoh, but he's like he, I mean, I feel like he's the voice of reason.
Speaker 2:He's like, come on, like right, this could not because the, I think, the last time that he had saw her. She was so dead set on being with reese staying in the night court and, from his point of view, being like evil or bad or whatever right so now you're gonna like. You said, oh, I'm done with this bond, I'm done yeah what I love you.
Speaker 1:I've missed you, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. He's like you're not going to question that, right? He's like come on, what's going on? Yeah, like you know, tamlin just wants what he wants and he's so blind to anything else.
Speaker 3:He is literally tunnel visioned on her entire time.
Speaker 2:He's blind, and that's a good way to put it, so he can't see that he's taking her in without question and clearly, like you said, making dumb choices to let the king who he's been. I don't think he has a good relationship with the king before all this right no, he fought against him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know like, come on, dude it's so crazy, oh anyway, okay, anything else? You want to add that we didn't touch on Josh?
Speaker 3:Yeah. No no, I was curious. So, in the middle of that whole scene where they're stuck with the Highburn, why did he just create that explosion in the hallway that shredded Cassian's wings?
Speaker 1:I never really understood like what the point was the point of that was the King of Highburn did it, yeah it was just kind of like random.
Speaker 3:He's just like I'm going to make an explosion in my castle Boom, and then just like, shredded, like that's what cause, like he ends up trying to like the plot called for it.
Speaker 2:I was like just to get Cassian.
Speaker 3:I was going to say, like it seemed like yeah, because like he knew that he was going to try to protect uh Azrael during that part, um, oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:Cause? Wasn't Cassian crawling towards Nesta, even when he was so hurt? Wasn't that Cause that comes into play later too, like Cassian is also dying and he is crawling towards Nesta.
Speaker 3:Like he's going to do something he can't see anything? Yeah, not as much as his eyes are glazed over, he can't see anything, his wings are tattered and like he hears nesta yelling and he's like blind man just crawling, yeah yeah, I mean obviously like it was, it was needed to show like his kind of like feelings and stuff for for nesta at that point.
Speaker 3:But it was just like it was. It was needed to show like his kind of like feelings and stuff for for Nesta at that point. But it was just like it happened and like I listened to that part like three or four times I'm like what, what did this? Where he was gonna. I mean, yeah, obviously it was like plot motivator kind of.
Speaker 3:Thing yeah, and it did well, because I mean you clearly see that Cassian at that point has a definite thing for for Nesta. You know, yeah, yeah, helps, helps build and grow their relationship.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, maybe that was it, so they couldn't fly.
Speaker 2:I don't know yeah, yeah, I don't know, but that's funny.
Speaker 1:Well, that is a court of mist and fury.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah, do you want to rate the book? Stacy's not here where is stacy?
Speaker 1:well, yeah, I'll do stacy, spice and story rating. I think the story is a five out of five. I really loved the story. I loved it. I personally loved it so much more than the first book. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then you agree with that okay yeah, I do too, definitely better.
Speaker 3:I feel like the first book was a lot of um, like building, like the universe and like getting all that kind of information out there as well as adding to the future story to it. So, yeah, I definitely like this one a lot better than the first one.
Speaker 1:There's a lot more action in this one. I guess is maybe. So I thought the story was a 5 out of 5. Spice level-wise. The thing is there were some parts in it, like again when they were flying and she touches his wing for the first time. I thought that was like a a five out of five. That was amazing. Yeah, yeah, but I would probably give the spice like a four out of five. Yeah, I'd give it a three, 3.5 out of five. 3.5 out of five, yeah.
Speaker 3:It seems reasonable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, tastefully done yeah, I mean because yeah it was like I've just been ruined by fanfic decent yeah but like yeah, more wing play. I've been fine, I know can you tell me now, is it better in the next book, the spice?
Speaker 1:I have not seen any wing play. No spice, I mean, there is no, there's spice, but there's never any wing play happening. No wings, there isn't no wing.
Speaker 2:No wing play.
Speaker 1:No wing play. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:Is it?
Speaker 1:spicier. Yes, yeah, I mean, it's all tastefully done, though. Oh, okay, when you say it, how far are you into the third one?
Speaker 3:I've read all the third one.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, oh wait, that's right. Is it still the same kind of taste?
Speaker 3:I would say it's less so.
Speaker 1:They have sex more.
Speaker 3:They do, but it's not as descriptive as in this one.
Speaker 2:Like it occurs more often, but they just kind of brush over it a little bit.
Speaker 3:Exactly, yes, it's not like in-depth, well-described kind of thing. Oh gosh Dang.
Speaker 1:It's definitely more. The third one is definitely more plot-driven. There's so much stuff going on, so much.
Speaker 3:Um and like. It's like from all angles like and all the things that they have to try to plan for and overcome. There's a lot of that type of like almost political drama, um, between the courts, that are kind of thrown in there too.
Speaker 2:So, like they keep, there's just not time for sex.
Speaker 3:I mean pretty much the world is about to end.
Speaker 1:They're all about to die.
Speaker 3:They've got to have sex. You know at least a little bit.
Speaker 2:Because if you're going to die, you might as well, but yeah, I would say it's a little less yeah a little less.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, gotcha, all right, should we do some kudos? Yeah, okay, I'll go first, because we're all going to have the same one, so I get to do it first. My kudos is for you, josh, because not only did you have to drive 40 minutes and you re-listened to the last half of this book because you'd read it a while ago, but you also had to go to Best Buy with us. Come back here. So it was an hour and a half later than we're supposed to be recording. Thank you so much for like, and it was last minute. You like took time out of your day for us. We appreciate it so much.
Speaker 2:It was fun. Thank you yeah.
Speaker 1:We really appreciate it, and I have to also kudos Stacy, because you're filling in for Stacy, because she's still on, well, obviously still has a new baby, so she's a little busy. She will be back next month. I asked her today and she's excited to get back on it. But yeah, stacy's amazing, you're amazing, thank you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean same kudos. Thank you so much. I mean, I felt so bad. I know you had to go to best right with us.
Speaker 1:And then he told us he's like bring, I am the worst sometimes. Um, he was like, do you want to bring the sd drives? And I was like no like we needed them and then immediately the guy was like, do you have them with you because we can reformat them here, as long as you didn't say I told you so you just gave a look he's like these idiots.
Speaker 2:That's what he's thinking.
Speaker 3:I did not.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much and yeah, I mean obviously we miss Stacy, so big kudos to her and a big kudos to my family for leaving me and going on vacation to Florida this week.
Speaker 1:Is that sarcastic, Sounds sarcastic. I was like did you not want?
Speaker 3:to go. I don't think that's a real kudos.
Speaker 1:So an F you is what it sounds like. No um.
Speaker 2:I couldn't, I couldn't go, but I missed them and I guess kudos to them Okay.
Speaker 3:Good Gosh. Um, my kudos are for you guys for uh, having me on it was a lot of fun I was. I was nervous coming in because I've never done podcasts or anything like that before and uh, you guys made it super easy yeah, it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:You're natural, yeah, you are nice and relaxed. Now it's also nice to have a guy on, because their voices, I feel like, are so much more calming. I'm so shrill, I feel like. Josh and Danny are just like very monotone and mellow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll have to have you back once we do, eventually, I'm sure we'll do. Yeah, at some point we'll do the other ones. Yeah, yeah, get your, take on it now that you've read it, and then we'll all get caught up.
Speaker 3:We'll get your yeah, your take on it.
Speaker 1:Be happy to come back talk about it definitely, and then eventually, once you read harry potter, we can have you back. Yes, if you would actually read harry potter, that wouldn't be a bad like site, because with miguel he watches a movie that he hasn't seen before and then talks about it you could actually read it, yeah adult for the first time, I see what you think about it.
Speaker 2:It would be really interesting to get your yeah perspective, maybe not having read it before and being like what do you think about it? Like good or?
Speaker 1:bad opinions? Yeah, because Miguel's opinions are all like, not terrible, bad, negative. They're all negative, not bad. We love Miguel, miguel, we love you no so yeah, he just he, it's different. As an adult, I feel like, yeah, you know getting into it, so so it'll be interesting to hear your opinions.
Speaker 3:I loved all the movies I'm and I've heard nothing but great things about the books and now that they are on my list, yeah, maybe you'll now to read it, absolutely To come back and be like I hated this part.
Speaker 2:It was stupid. So yeah, thank you again. Thank you everyone for listening. You've got to lead us out with Stacey's.
Speaker 1:You've got to do it.
Speaker 2:Yes and read what you like. Woo Bye.
