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A Court of Mist and Fury, Part 1
Ever found yourself arguing with friends over whether audiobooks or physical books provide the superior reading experience? That's precisely the kind of debate we ignite as Chanel, myself, and the Fiction Fanatics welcome Dannie to the fray. While Stacy's off snuggling her new bundle of joy, we dive headfirst into the lush landscapes of Sarah J. Maas's "A Court of Mist and Fury," comparing the sensory delights of ink on paper to the spoken word, and even entertain the thought of a dramatized Harry Potter series to spice up our future episodes.
Fantasy worlds collide with reality as we unravel the threads of love and toxicity within Maas's narrative, holding a magnifying glass over Tamlin's controversial character arc. Mother's Day is on the horizon, so amidst our literary excavation, we pause to tip our hats to the powerhouse moms out there—including ours. Dannie steps bravely into the podcasting limelight, reminding us that the bonds of friendship and shared passions can turn workplace acquaintances into lifelong comrades.
Summary:
Feyre has undergone more trials than one human woman can carry in her heart. Though she's now been granted the powers and lifespan of the High Fae, she is haunted by her time Under the Mountain and the terrible deeds she performed to save the lives of Tamlin and his people.
As her marriage to Tamlin approaches, Feyre's hollowness and nightmares consume her. She finds herself split into two different one who upholds her bargain with Rhysand, High Lord of the feared Night Court, and one who lives out her life in the Spring Court with Tamlin. While Feyre navigates a dark web of politics, passion, and dazzling power, a greater evil looms. She might just be the key to stopping it, but only if she can harness her harrowing gifts, heal her fractured soul, and decide how she wishes to shape her future-and the future of a world in turmoil.
Bestselling author Sarah J. Maas's masterful storytelling brings this second book in her dazzling, sexy, action-packed series to new heights.
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***Produced by Jen Hardin***
***Produced by Jen Hardin***
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Speaker 2:Every time I read that that's a tab for me anytime.
Speaker 1:It's tabbed baby with his color. Chanel's getting excited, so excited. Yeah, it's tabbed with his color, because I was like, oh my god, this is amazing, like you said, but he's just crazy. Hi, I'm Chanel.
Speaker 2:Hi, I'm Stacey, hey nerds.
Speaker 1:This is Ashley and this is Fiction Fanatics.
Speaker 2:We're just starting off live.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, also yeah, keep your phones away.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm going to keep my little picture up with the notes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's what you do, but don't put your phone too close, because that makes a staticky noise with the microphones, so don't do that either.
Speaker 2:Are you hearing it? We're not lying.
Speaker 3:These are nice mics, then Okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, welcome, welcome. We're very excited because this is part one of A Court of Mist and Fury by Sarah J Maas, and we have a special guest today. Hi Danny's here.
Speaker 3:I'm here I finally made it.
Speaker 1:Actually, Stacey has a really deep voice.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's just Stacey.
Speaker 1:I suppose, stacey, this is after giving birth.
Speaker 2:It really changes your voice yes, because Danny's filling in for Stacey, because Stacey had her baby when's she coming back?
Speaker 1:we don't know for sure we're planning on maybe giving her a few weeks off because we're going to have some guests fill in, because we have a special guest next week, which is exciting, and maybe like giving her a few weeks off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because we're going to have some guests fill in.
Speaker 1:Because we have a special guest next week, which is exciting, are we allowed to say yeah, our friend Sarah, yeah, our friend Sarah will be on next week?
Speaker 3:Has she been on yet?
Speaker 1:No, she's nervous.
Speaker 3:I know, this is a good month. Maybe she'll bring a beer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're trying to convince Dani to come back for part three. We'll see, we'll see, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:When's that?
Speaker 1:That is the 26th. Yeah, yeah, you can do it Like come back.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you can do it, I'm on vacation On the 26th, Like that week. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Just do it, Just come back and then you really give your thoughts on the whole book. It'll be a wrap up.
Speaker 2:Danny's almost finished the book Ten minutes out. Maybe we can't give spoilers because, chanel, you just finished part one, right?
Speaker 1:Yes, but I'm a little bit further than that. So I'm how many pages am I? I'm like 170 pages in out of a 600 page book. It's a thick one, yeah, so I'm still making my way through it you read them all, you don't.
Speaker 1:Audiobook no, because I bought the series like I did the box set, so I figured I have like nine books. It there's like five or six books. I think there's six. Yeah, or she's working on the six, working on the six, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's about to put out the six I told you it's a big commitment I heard the audio books are a little dramatic.
Speaker 2:That's what Danny said.
Speaker 3:So it depends on which one you get.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because the one I'm listening to isn't like that.
Speaker 3:There's two versions, oh. So the first one I listened to I guess just the normal unabridged version, oh, and the second one I listened to, the dramatized one.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's what it's dramatized.
Speaker 3:But I will say this it cut it by like six hours. It was like six hours quicker. I have no idea how. I don't understand that, which is why I was so confused.
Speaker 1:Wait wait, wait. The dramatized is quicker than the non-dramatized. Yeah, and I don't know.
Speaker 3:They must skip certain stuff Like you don't have to say, or you know certain things like that because they voice actors for every single person. Oh, okay, so you're just supposed to know, but like, instead of her saying Tamlin growled, he'll be like ugh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, I don't want to, because my cousin Hannah she was on when we did the first book Akatar and she must have listened to the dramatized version and she told me she's like there's a lot of growling and moaning and I was like, yeah, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3:So that's why I was like I was like you got to listen to this, it's way different. So I played her like the first part, where Tam went in the first part where they're getting it on, and I was like here, listen to this, and she was like I kind of like it.
Speaker 2:I mean I kind of want to listen to it now?
Speaker 1:No, I'm not listening to that. That's why I was like I'll read and I can just imagine.
Speaker 2:Did you see the news that they're doing that for the Harry Potter books?
Speaker 1:Yeah, ashley sent me that, she sent me that and I was like maybe I'll listen to this. I mean not that there's any R-rated stuff really with Harry Potter.
Speaker 2:That's so cool. Yeah, it'll be cool to be kind of traumatized, but maybe we should like, when that happens, we should maybe do that for an episode for a month, like harry potter, the dramatized version.
Speaker 1:Talk about it but it's really cool. We should have miguel listen to it and give his he ain't gonna listen to that I know it's hard enough to get him to watch the movies not a fan not a fan.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, it's so funny my only complaint is that there's really loud music in the background of the movie yeah, well, the dramatized oh yeah so it's like half the time I'm like listening to a violin and I'm like what the heck did that person say? Like what just happened? Yeah, just like they'll have like music in the background, that like set a tone of like ominous music and I'm like I can't understand what the people are saying, because the music is so loud oh yeah, that's not cool.
Speaker 3:And then I only have one other complaint, sorry I actually had two complaints is that they, just because it's they don't stop to like, say, they don't put a gap in and they just keep going. It's like she just keeps reading and I can't process the previous thought before she moves on to the next one.
Speaker 1:Oh gotcha, do they even do like chapter breaks, or no?
Speaker 3:No, I know, that's why I was so confused when you guys sent me the part one breakdown.
Speaker 1:I had no idea.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because he, because I was. I texted Chanel yesterday. Are you sure? This is all that's in part one.
Speaker 1:Yes, Because the part one of my audio book ends at like chapter 26. Yeah, so he was like texting me like random stuff. I'm like what the?
Speaker 3:Yeah, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1:Because we Stacy was really really good about. She's like there's house of wind, house of beast and beast, and like it's clearly marked in the book about the different parts and yeah, danny's like, danny's like three parts. Yeah, I thought it was two that makes sense that you had no, because the dramatize was two parts.
Speaker 2:I was like this two-part book yeah, well, the first part, I feel like isn't super long, it's not, it's just while she's at the spring court yeah and then because.
Speaker 1:then I looked up and like this the second part is huge, oh wait now I'm getting them confused.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, Um, not while she's at.
Speaker 1:Anyway, it is, it is when she's at the spring court, because then the night court starts the second part and then clearly I don't know what the, what the third part is, but, um, but that's not a big part either. Um, the the third part. Excuse me, um, can we just? I just have something I want to talk about really quick. This doesn't have to do with the book, but you're both here and um, I want to talk to you both about this. So I've been having really weird dreams lately, and both of you have been in my dreams, and so last night I dreamt about you, ashley, and it was like we were all I swear to God I'm going to call you Stacy.
Speaker 1:I did it.
Speaker 2:It's like Stacy's here, I know right.
Speaker 1:It was a big group of us and we were like out having dinner and it was like you, me, and then, and then like other random friends that I like can't remember, okay.
Speaker 2:Was I being an asshole yeah?
Speaker 1:Well, all of a sudden, we were like having dinner and we just randomly decided to like go to Italy, like the three of us.
Speaker 2:That's my new place on my bucket list.
Speaker 3:You got next summer's vacation planned.
Speaker 1:Right, I'm going to Italy, but then you were kind of being an asshole. That doesn't sound like to me. I'm already confused to this other to this other person and we're like having dinner, we're like on this plane and we're like having dinner and, like you, you were just. You were just being mean to everyone because this person was pissing you off.
Speaker 2:So this also doesn't sound like me where do I fit into this?
Speaker 1:you're in the other dream, and so so it just spoiled the whole trip, even though we were in italy if somebody spoiled italy for me, I would just like I don't even know. So that was the whole dream. I'm like eating my pasta, trying to have a good time, but you're so mad because this person is pissing you off.
Speaker 2:I would just like to say you guys choose to be friends with me, so but also what's that say about us?
Speaker 1:Also I was thinking why did we let this person come on this trip with us? So I don't know why.
Speaker 2:This sounds like Chanel's fault is what I'm hearing. It's probably why I was mad.
Speaker 1:Well then, my dream with you, dani, was I was mad at you. This also doesn't strike, but we were in Cirque du Soleil, we were trapeze artists in Cirque du Soleil. Why, but I don't know why I was mad at you. And then, all of a sudden, we had to go and perform out on stage, like it was our time to go perform, and and you had to, like, grab me by the ankles and do some like flip, and I'm thinking to myself this motherfucker better not drop me. Did he drop you? No, you didn't. But we're like, we're doing flips and I'm like Daniel sounds like a hero, but I'm still mad at him. And I'm like I don't know why, the whole time I just had a grudge with you the whole time. But we're like, we're like somersaulting through the air, and that was the whole dream, that was the whole dream my dream's better.
Speaker 3:I went to the circus lately, recently.
Speaker 2:The circus or Circus Olay.
Speaker 3:Barnum and Bailey.
Speaker 2:That's still a thing, really yeah.
Speaker 3:But there's no animals. What? What is it then? It's just a lot of like people doing flips and stuff.
Speaker 1:Oh, so it's like a cheap version of Circus Olay.
Speaker 2:It's like gymnastics out there, don't they have, like light animals or something Animated animals?
Speaker 3:Well, they didn't this time, no it was like the only animal was a robotic dog that walked around on stage.
Speaker 1:That's a ripoff.
Speaker 2:That's a ripoff, because didn't they get in trouble for how they treated their animals?
Speaker 3:That's why they don't have animals. It was animal rights stuff which I get, but it wasn't as fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, uh, yeah, that's a. Why did you go to that?
Speaker 2:my sister wanted to go just you two, or did you bring her daughter?
Speaker 3:we brought everybody, like my six or seven people, oh my god, I would never. And about three quarters of the way through they were like let's get out of here, let's go to dinner, yeah, it's like yeah, no, I went to Cirque du Soleil.
Speaker 1:Um, it's probably been about a year, year and a half I'd I'd never gone. I went in Vegas. It was really cool.
Speaker 2:Which one did you see in Vegas?
Speaker 1:I saw New York, new York, at the hotel that's where I was staying and it was really cool Because it was like singing and dancing and flipping and stuff.
Speaker 3:There was some singing, but none of the songs were very good. It's like it tried to be a cool show but it really wasn't.
Speaker 1:It was very boring. Like you said, I had no idea that was even still going. I'd be shocked if it lasted very much longer. Yeah, yeah, they're fading out.
Speaker 3:No, it was at Banker's Life or Gamebridge or whatever the heck it's called. It was like half full. They didn't even sell any of the top row. It was like half full. They didn't even sell any of the top row.
Speaker 1:It was like bottom row only, and they were still only about half. That's sad. Yeah, yeah, that's sad. Okay, sorry, I just had to tell you guys that.
Speaker 2:I love it. I have no dreams to talk about. Nothing of interest anyway.
Speaker 1:I was like these dreams are crazy. Okay, we can get into the book now.
Speaker 2:Well, we should probably ask some questions about.
Speaker 1:Danny, oh yeah, should we get to know?
Speaker 2:Danny, a little bit, can we not?
Speaker 1:We reference you in the show A lot, but no one actually knows you. Let's keep it that way. Mysterious guy.
Speaker 2:So we've known Danny for how many years?
Speaker 1:A while Two Forever. I was like almost ten years maybe. Eight, yeah, at least eight, at least eight, at least eight yeah we all started working.
Speaker 2:I was 2015 2015 2016 yeah, 2016, that's when I started at. We all met at a hospital. I don't know if you were there before me, danny, but I started there in 2016.
Speaker 1:Yeah that's what I said I started in 2016 too, so I think, yeah, it's about eight clinicals were like february 2015.
Speaker 2:Okay, so forever.
Speaker 1:Eight years Wow.
Speaker 2:Danny is also or well, Chanel doesn't do it anymore, but Danny is a scrub tech that I work with now too, currently. We both hopped over to the same hospital.
Speaker 1:And I just am still around you got out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Chanel got out.
Speaker 2:Me and Danny are still in. You didn't have to follow us.
Speaker 1:You got out, I got out, but uh, I mean, I'm still around, still friends, that's my thing, yeah, but uh, but yeah, we're still friends somehow and somehow some way it's been a journey, trauma, bonded and now we're here, that's what it was and yeah, and you're dating one of our other friends, justice.
Speaker 2:Justice, who's actually been on the podcast twice.
Speaker 1:I was going to say yeah a couple times.
Speaker 3:She's already texted me like four times asking how it's going.
Speaker 1:We haven't even started.
Speaker 3:We haven't even started. That's why I said it we haven't even started. We're still rambling on I know.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, that's a little background about Danny.
Speaker 2:And, like I said, we talking about you a few times. All good, I'm sure. Yeah, never talking trash. No, um, and yeah, yeah, yeah. So, um, something we ask a lot of people who come on the podcast is we ask what your favorite book is does it have to be just a book? Yeah, just like your favorite.
Speaker 3:Well, it could be serious like oh, a series like yeah when I got back into audiobooks it was harry potter, and I've listened to him like four times since.
Speaker 2:And justice gets really, it's really mad. Why do you listen to? That again like because it's awesome yeah, okay, you can say harry potter, but then I think you should pick your favorite harry potter book yeah, then pick one out of the series you know I always used to say, prisoner of azkaban, yeah.
Speaker 3:And then the more I thought about it, it's like the most useless one of all. The no, it's not it literally could have been solved in the first five minutes of the book if anybody would communicate, if serious would have just come out and been like hey, I didn't actually kill your parents, um okay but ron's rat.
Speaker 1:He was a wanted prisoner. You think a wanted prisoner is going to be able to just explain?
Speaker 3:it, harry had no idea who he was.
Speaker 2:The plot didn't call for it.
Speaker 3:Danny, yeah Plot armor.
Speaker 1:No, but you think a wanted criminal is going to be able to come out and try to explain away his crime.
Speaker 3:Harry had no idea he was a criminal.
Speaker 1:That book is amazing. He did after Mr Weasley.
Speaker 3:No, I'm just saying the whole book could have been solved before he even got on the bus. If he just looked because he wanted to get one view of Harry before he took off. He just would have come out and be like hey, harry.
Speaker 1:I didn't do it, man. And then he's like some grisly old man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because I mean, like Voldemort really played no part in that whole entire book, played no part in that whole entire book.
Speaker 1:That's what I think is the genius about it is because there was so much plot without Voldemort even being involved.
Speaker 3:It's like a side quest.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:I loved the book and I love the movie. It just makes me so angry now, yeah, it's so funny. Because I was re-listening to it not that long ago and I guess, knowing the ending of it and how stupid everybody is in it.
Speaker 1:I'm so annoyed the whole book because I am just annoyed no, I think it's even more genius because I'm like we don't the villain's not even in there and I'm like, but there's still so much to unpack without that.
Speaker 3:It's nice when you watch the movies, the first two so light-hearted it gets dark dark all of a sudden.
Speaker 1:Alfonso cuaron, the director of that movie, is amazing, so I love it because he's like we're going dark, we're going to see these haircuts. They're dark, everybody's got long okay, so now, what do you now? What do you say?
Speaker 3:is your favorite. I guess you know I really book. I really like the last two or the last one Definitely.
Speaker 2:Hollow, I keep trying to think of it as the movies. But there's a lot of emotion. Why I just like it. There's a lot of emotion.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of action. Why I just like it. There's a lot of emotion, there's a lot of action. It all translates well. There's a lot of actual wizarding stuff involved.
Speaker 2:It all comes together.
Speaker 3:If I have one complaint about it, it's just there's not enough magic. That happens A lot of times. It's a lot of character development. I get that.
Speaker 1:A lot of wrapping up.
Speaker 3:A lot of times we forget about that school of magic, and that's what I like. I like to think about those sort of things. So I like, uh, fourth wing, because that's got a lot of magic and dragons and I love dragons.
Speaker 1:So have you read iron flame yet? I haven't read it yet yeah, I thought you were I read fourth wing like I blazed through that in like three days, but then I was like don't you own iron flame? I do, but I had. She owns a lot of books, you said you were gonna watch it like two weeks I know, but I have a lot of books and there's literally not even a third one coming out on the horizon.
Speaker 1:So no, she said january okay, okay, so I have time, I have time, but I'm probably gonna read that in two days, so it's like maybe there's there's a lot.
Speaker 3:I had the audiobook which I started when I was helping my sister move home in March. Still haven't finished it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you don't like it.
Speaker 3:She could use a better editor.
Speaker 1:That's what I heard.
Speaker 2:Somebody else said that.
Speaker 3:That's what I heard. Ashley Plemons yeah, she could. She'd use a better editor.
Speaker 1:I think it's because that book was rushed. It was so rushed.
Speaker 3:Am I allowed to go into detail on this?
Speaker 1:No spoilers.
Speaker 3:No spoilers. That will lose her mind. No spoilers, Without spoiling. She just says the same thing. A lot Gotcha. Repetitive it's very repetitive on the same things over and over again, which just feels like you could have cut a lot of that out. It just feels like filler.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, which makes sense, because it was pushed because fourth wing was such a big hit that that one came out like immediately after, which is why I'm not in a race to read it, because I'm like we still have, there's a, it's a five book series. When are we going to get to the next three books? I'm like I'm just not in a rush to read it, even though I thought Fourth Wing was really good. I read that so fast, but anyway, I really enjoyed Fourth Wing.
Speaker 1:I thought it was a good book. The characters are really good. You need to read it. It's really good. Well, it's on my list, but that one series is before it.
Speaker 2:Before it, the one you bought me, yeah, but I will get to all of them, I think.
Speaker 3:I have a lot of similarities from this book to Fourth Wing. Yeah Of characters. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like good, strong characters, good character development, like who I think Tamlin feels like and who I think Reese feels like yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that, I can see that. Are we going to get into it now?
Speaker 2:Oh, no, I know I just wanted a question to get to know, danny, that's it.
Speaker 1:We went way off. Okay, what would you say Like do you prefer fantasy or like dystopian or like science fiction? As far as yeah, what's your favorite genre?
Speaker 3:definitely fantasy fantasy okay I want to get lost in a world that doesn't really exist okay, I think that's why I love harry potter so much. I get so lost in the actual world of it like I love the whole world yeah, what I really like about harry potter is like you can, it's like you could actually imagine, maybe that actually exists. Yeah, Because I mean muggles, I mean we all exist. We're sitting here right now.
Speaker 3:I am not a muggle, it's like you just wish there was like a secret little area where you flip a brick and all of a sudden you're just entranced with magic.
Speaker 1:But did you like Hunger Games though? I really liked Hunger Games. I had watched the you do like Dystopian.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I really like If there's a lot of action and stuff, I'm drawn to it. So I really enjoyed. I watched those movies first and then I went back and read the books and I really liked the books.
Speaker 2:The movies are excellent too. They're great, they're both good.
Speaker 3:I love Jennifer Lawrence, so I'm here for that yeah, yeah, yeah, you and everybody, oh don't even you probably a pita lover she loves pita.
Speaker 2:She loves pita so does justice her little short king she calls him you don't really know, he's that short in the movie, so they do a nice job yeah well, I don't think jennifer lawrence is all that tall no, and there's several scenes where pita's shorter I love pita, but I'm a gale girl I can't get into this about gale right now what do you? What do you think of the akatar universe? Do you like that universe?
Speaker 3:yeah, um you get more into it as a series goes on I was a little with chanel at the first part where I was like this is kind of boring, but I was was like I didn't see. I wasn't as like, oh man, when's this picking up. But once you got to like about halfway through, I was like, all right, here we go, Like this is starting. That's how I felt about it and then I was like, is this just Beauty and the Beast?
Speaker 3:Like is that what this is? So, but I really actually enjoy it. I I was very, uh, against her. We're allowed to talk about the first book, right? We've already? Done, yeah, okay I was really against her being turned into a fae, hi fae. I was like man, really really cool. She was like this human that was somehow badass in this fae world that. But you know, the further we get into it without any spoilers, I'm like I'm coming around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's how I was too Like, especially after the second book. I'm like oh, I love this whole world.
Speaker 1:And I really love.
Speaker 2:I was lukewarm on Feyre in the first book and I'm halfway through the third book right now. I love her character development. I think she's great, so it really builds for me.
Speaker 1:It definitely is building for me too, cause I'm kind of like you were. It would be cool to have like this mortal with you know, falling in love with some fairy, but, um, I think you can see kind of where they're going with it now that she's Okay, but you can see where they're going with it. I don't think it's how it happens in this first part, but you know what I mean. So, yeah, I like that kind of like twist or whatever. I'm trying to think what else do we? Okay, so it seems like, kind of from what you're talking about, do you like audiobooks better than reading?
Speaker 3:Yeah, or this like really bad disease, where I start reading a book and I fall asleep.
Speaker 1:Is that a disease? That's not where I thought you were going with it. I was like what are you announcing?
Speaker 3:I thought you were going to say dyslexia no sometimes I feel like I have that too, but I just when I start reading a book, I just get so tired so I gotta listen to it. And a lot of times I'm listening to it in the car, fairly loud, windows, windows down. I'm like I mean I hope there's not a scene coming up. Yeah, awkward at this stoplight people can only hear what's going on in my car yeah, I've heard that's all you listen to in your car.
Speaker 1:Oh, my god, I think not. What is it called? When you like sleep, you're like narcolepsy. Narcolepsy, I was going to say insomnia. That's the opposite, it's a great bedtime routine.
Speaker 3:I'm trying to read this book. My buddy let me borrow. It is so boring and it's a fantasy book about a video game that we both play.
Speaker 2:And there's almost zero interest in it. What video game do you guys both play?
Speaker 3:Warhammer.
Speaker 2:Oh, you and your friend I. What video game do you guys both play? Warhammer.
Speaker 3:Oh, you and your friend. I thought you and Chanel. I was like what video game are you playing? No, not me. No, this is my buddy from when we were like three years old.
Speaker 1:But it is so boring.
Speaker 3:I can't. I'm like it's a thousand page book. I'm like on page 200, I've had it for like eight months.
Speaker 2:It's just, it's your melaton.
Speaker 3:I got about three pages in Time to go to bed. I have to reread those three pages every time.
Speaker 1:I pick it back up because I have no idea what happened.
Speaker 3:We're stuck. It's an eternal loop. Yeah, so audiobooks, yeah, audiobooks all the way for me. And plus, it's great because if I'm on the treadmill I just pop on the audiobook, I don't have to think about the workout.
Speaker 2:See, I can't do audio books when I'm working out or anything, but I do it. I love audio books when I'm doing laundry or dishes. I have to be doing something else when I'm listening to an audio book, because if I just listen to an audio book, like sitting down, I'll fall asleep.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it has to be something mindless for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like I can't be concentrated on anything else, no, no, no, Like driving dishes. Like I don't know how Tiffany watches a show, listens to an audiobook at 2.0, and like carries on a conversation.
Speaker 2:This is a girl that we work with. She's amazing. I love her but, like I, am so curious about how her mind works, because Dani's not lying she listens to audio books at 2.0.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:She will be listening to an audio book, watching something and filling out her planner, and I'm just like I don't understand why she does it.
Speaker 1:She's not absorbing everything. She's missing half the plot.
Speaker 3:For sure. I'm like if I miss 15 seconds, I'm like what the heck just happened?
Speaker 2:I know I'm like if I miss 15 seconds.
Speaker 3:I'm like what the heck just happened.
Speaker 1:I know I'm like let me put this back here, so have you. I think I mentioned this, maybe on the podcast, but I saw this like on TikTok, that people will have the audio book, listen to the audio book and then be reading the book and it helps them read faster. Oh, like listening simultaneously and then have the book and they're like and it's like it's like someone reading to them, obviously while going through, and it makes them get through the book faster.
Speaker 3:I haven't done it yet, but I've been it reminds me of being back in like grade school, like a popcorn reading I hated it. I hated it so much you could like trip up on this simple word.
Speaker 1:You're like I'm an idiot. Everybody make fun of me. Yeah yeah trauma. Yeah, but you don't have to. You never have to read. It's just this um narrator. But um, but yeah, I was like, oh my god, like what a cool way to quickly get through um book. Like, yeah, anyway. So, like I said, I need to try it. So, okay, we're done with you.
Speaker 2:We know enough about you.
Speaker 3:I'll see myself out.
Speaker 1:So you can just leave now, yes, so let's get into it.
Speaker 2:Part one so we are doing part one, the House of Beasts from A Court of Mist and Fury. I meant to write down the page numbers if people were interested, but I didn't, so it's just.
Speaker 3:I don't think.
Speaker 2:I guess it's not a big deal.
Speaker 3:Sean's got some notes. I see them.
Speaker 1:It's funny because I don't, I just tab, I don't have. We're reading up until 131 is when it ends.
Speaker 3:How many pages is this actual book?
Speaker 1:The actual book oh God, let's see is 624.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so 13 chapters really wasn't a lot, it wasn't.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I don't actually want to get my book dirty with notes, so I just tab when people like, when like there's major scenes or like quotes from kind of scenes, like, like, significant, like moments you know, like, or or information. Those are the yellow tabs. And then like, reese is dark green and Tamlin is like a chartreuse, and then Feyre is like a light green.
Speaker 3:For me, I'd be tabbing all like the explosive Sexy. No, oh, the energy.
Speaker 1:You just said explosive, and then you kind of stopped.
Speaker 3:Like when she like when there's a lot of action or something, or she goes, like when she gets well, I can't keep saying it or I'll ruin certain moments but like in Iron Flame when she got her powers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, that would be-.
Speaker 3:For the first time that would be a tab.
Speaker 1:For me, that would be, yeah, so yeah, like significant scenes like that.
Speaker 2:Like that. That would be a tab for me. That would be a tab for me.
Speaker 1:You need to start using that. That would be a tab for me.
Speaker 2:Tab it tab it, let's get into it. So this book opens up. It's been three months since the end of the last book from under the mountain which, by the way, was crazy and a lot's been going on those three months would be a tab for me tab it.
Speaker 2:I seriously loved this book from the beginning, like a lot more than the first book. I just instantly was more into it. You're into it, yes yes, and a lot's been going on in these three months. Her and Tamlin are having a ton of nightmares. They're making fair, wear really ugly clothes all the time for some reason. Like she looks like a giant cupcake this whole time. That's how I picture it very gaudy. Tamlin is a controlling asshole. Okay, okay, okay and okay, and we meet. What's her wait?
Speaker 3:and then according to Josh Brown, he's just trying to be protective.
Speaker 2:I will freak out out on this podcast and then we meet. What's her name?
Speaker 1:ian ian, yeah ianthi ianthi this let's see, I want to see priestess. I know because I want to know how to pronounce it.
Speaker 2:Well, according to the book it's like or the audio yeah, ianthi, yeah, that's how they say in the audio book, but I just have a hard time.
Speaker 3:It's funny when when you sent the the picture, I was like what is this? Like everybody's spelling of their names was so much different than I. I don't know the new picture.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just I am like, oh, that's, I guess that's how, that's how I did, but I wanted, I wanted to see it for sure, that's how it is.
Speaker 2:Okay, she's the first new character that we kind of meet okay, can, before we're gonna rip tamlin apart, I'm gonna call you josh brown, and we gotta stop using full names.
Speaker 1:Josh is our friend, it's just josh we also because we have a couple of Josh friends. At the beginning of the book I was giving Tamlin the benefit of the doubt, so let me just defend him for like five seconds, Because you want to.
Speaker 2:Well, I can't wait until we do the last part of this book, and then I want to hear your thoughts on it. Well, yes, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:But when you start this book, you're team Tamlin you feel bad for them, because you end Akatar and you're like they love each other. Yeah, they're in love and you're in the spring court. Yeah and yes.
Speaker 3:So like this is end of end of also. Yeah, I'm like we're, we're part one, yeah yeah, we're, we're totally team tamlin, especially at the beginning.
Speaker 1:Yes, like first chapter, you have no idea yeah, yeah, you're coming out from under the mountain. They're both, like you said, like experiencing these nightmares together and and both very traumatized. So, so, um, and so I think this is like I was like examining it, thinking like when you go through a traumatizing event with um yourself, but also like as a couple people react very differently. So Farrah you know she was is, like you know, feeling confined and and um and wanting space because she's obviously traumatized. And she's, you know, feeling confined and and um and wanting space because she's obviously traumatized and she's feeling lost.
Speaker 1:Feeling lost and now feeling controlled by not only Tamlin, cause she wants to. You know he still has to like rule, and so she's like I want to go on these, you know, adventures with you see what's going on and you know, now this new girl's coming in and she's, you know, planning my wedding, which I don't really want to have, and now I have to get married to you, and she's like she wanted it at first, yes, but now she's like, well, ok, I have to be this, this queen, and just very confused about what her role is going to be coming up now that she's a high.
Speaker 3:I mean, I got to imagine if I was turned into an immortal being. I would want to go out and see what this world was all about. Yes, I wouldn't want to be locked up in a castle or whatever. Yes, I wouldn't want to just stay there.
Speaker 1:Right, right, and as well as because you're also, you know, triggered by everything, anything.
Speaker 1:Right Getting out is going to heal right, right and to have some air and explore, whereas tamlin he's like okay, I've already lost my family to these higher-ups, to amarantha, whatever, and so how he's dealing with this trauma is he's like I need to protect, I need to. I'm not saying this is right, he he's like, but she's my love, and so how I'm protecting her is to cling on and to put boundaries up and to like and I'm not putting her back out into this world anymore because it's cruel and terrible, but I still have to do my duty, and so this is my way of of keeping her safe and and, instead of actually like coming closer together and like listening to each other and and and bonding closer after this tragedy, it's clearly pulling them apart. Um, so that's obviously what's happening and it's terrible. It's a slow breaking of their relationship.
Speaker 2:And Tamlin, you start out liking him, but because he's not listening, he's being so rigid and not being this comfort and soft space for her, like you said, is like kind of becoming this asshole, even though he thinks he's doing the right thing so you know, what's really crazy to do is that when I first read this book, it's and I've been, you know, re-skimming it since we're going over it but it's really even more interesting to look at it a second time because you catch these little things you don't think are a big deal at first like just things that he says and stuff and then looking back at it now, it's just like this is toxic.
Speaker 1:It's toxic, this is so unhealthy. Yes, and it's very toxic. But at the same time I, like I said, kind of the benefit of the doubt, like for him, is that he's also traumatized. He's also dealing with a lot right, like I said, because he's also dealing with a lot right, like I said, because he's lost people. He doesn't want to lose her. That's the only thing I'm going to give him. Yeah, yeah, but like you like.
Speaker 3:You said like a lot of this could have all been solved by some communication really good communication I think that was mentioned in one of those first chapters that she woke up often, like every night, vomiting, yeah, and she was fairly certain tamlin was awake, but pretending to be asleep. But she also knew he was having nightmares too. Yes, yes, like we communicate these things to each other to try to get past.
Speaker 2:This is my issues issues. I have two main issues with tamlin. One, he's blonde and it's just not my thing. Two Shut up, redhead it's basically white now Two Tamlin is this classic male character that thinks that he's a good guy, this quote-unquote good guy, and really you're the worst kind of guy. Do you know what I'm talking about? I've seen characters like this in the past. They think that they're this good, great guy doing all these things and really you're just not.
Speaker 3:I wish I could say what I want to say, but there's this part in part two that, like totally backs what you know what?
Speaker 2:is it making sense, what I'm saying? I feel like I'm not explaining it no, I I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1:I understand like he's. He thinks he's like following the rules.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's like in his soul yeah, he's following the rules he's, he thinks he's like following the rules.
Speaker 1:He thinks he's a good guy. Yeah, he's like In his soul. Yeah, he's following the rules, he's doing everything right, but it it's not hitting the mark, it's not. And Nevet's really authentic, though yes, he's not doing like he's not she needs and I think, like you know we'll get to it later but like it really shows up when they meet the um water wraiths or whatever when she's like I thought that was a big turn.
Speaker 1:That was I was like that's in here. I was like, dude, you and she's talking to you and she, I thought that was a really good part for Feyre to be like. I remember my past. I remember what it was like when I didn't have food, I didn't have money, and this lady is just asking for like a break and he's like it's my duty, it's what we've done. Blah, blah, blah. It's what my father did. Yes, his father Must be wrong. Yeah, who cares? Did His father Must be wrong? Yeah, who cares? I can't, you know, stray from. And that's when you're like he thinks, like you said, he's a good guy and he's upholding this tradition and blah, blah, blah. But like it comes back to like what's actually good and right and he's not doing that. He doesn't see it. And then Feyre was like fuck this. Like I said, we'll get into that, but that was a good action.
Speaker 1:It also reminds me these two characters I like liken Tamlin to Captain America Don't ruin Captain America for me. Whereas Reese is, here we go you know who he is, he's my boy, loki when, like he's morally gray, like he can do some good things but bad things. But he's not like tied to the idea of being good, whereas Captain America has to be good, he has to, you know, follow these rules. Yeah, that's fair, but I wish I could spoil things for her. Don't spoil, we'll get mad. Anyway, that's who I think of, as, like you said, has to be right and wrong, but, um, but you know, he's not always this good guy then no, well, yeah, so things aren't going great in the spring court, which leads into the next thing is that I this is.
Speaker 2:This is really annoying for me because I loved lucian in the first book.
Speaker 1:I know right, and he was a straight up bitch, and lucian just like excuses every everything he's so scared dude, grow a pair like favor?
Speaker 2:is your friend really like? I felt like they really trauma bonded and were friends from the beginning, kind of of akatar, and he knew how, and this is also something that will come into play later in the series that I would love to talk about in the future. But like he, I don't know. It's just so annoying because I loved lucian. I'm like do more, do more. You know how terrible she's doing right now and you're letting this guy just Get away with it and, like you said, make excuses.
Speaker 3:It's excusing. I mean he could literally see she's wasting away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like she's not doing well yeah.
Speaker 3:She can't hold any food, that was, but he should know.
Speaker 2:I mean, if she's, you should fight for your friends and you should also like tamlin is your friend he's not gonna kill you over trying to do this and now looking back on this book and like re-skimming it, I think it's also showing that it's a good parallel between um, lucian and tamlin and then another group of people later in the series that I mean, if you want to get into it, lucian and tamlin to me weren't really friends like that. Lucian was just his follower, is what it feels like to me like because lucian found this place that he could go to.
Speaker 3:That wasn't going to be his court that he had to try to fight to reign I'm not saying he kind of fell into this, this, this spot, where he was a second in command. He's like I'm cool with that yeah, and that and I want to kind of keep that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not saying he doesn't love Tamlin or whatever, but I'm saying real friends you can have a conversation with and they don't just silence you. Which is what Tamlin does to everybody and Lucian just kind of takes it. But so yeah, Nobody's doing great in the Spring Fever right now the only person doing great is Ianthe. I can't say her name. How do you say?
Speaker 3:it Ianthe.
Speaker 2:Which this bitch? I didn't like her from the beginning.
Speaker 3:She didn't do anything wrong per se. No, she didn't do anything wrong, but you're just like she's a spirit.
Speaker 2:She's stirring the pot.
Speaker 3:Why is she controlling everything? Why?
Speaker 2:is she making?
Speaker 3:all these decisions, this she controlling everything. Why is she making? All these decisions and then like this dress clearly is horrible, like even tamlin thinks it's horrible the wedding dress but he wants, he's got this, uh, this image that he thinks he needs to uphold and and this, apparently this dress is is hinging on this image they really give her a lot of control in this, because she's just pulling the strings. She's very prevalent in part one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, cause Farrah, I mean, tells her a lot, a lot of secrets and stuff. So, um, everybody's doing terrible. And now it's the wedding day. Who doesn't want to get married when everybody's at their literal worst, which is what?
Speaker 3:this was probably one of my probably my favorite part in part. One was the wedding where she's just like screaming On the inside. And she doesn't know she doesn't know that it's going through this bond.
Speaker 2:She's just screaming. Oh yeah, I guess I haven't mentioned that either, because we know that Feyre and Rhysand have that deal from the first book, but honestly, you don't hear about Rhysand at all, really.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's taken three months, Like three months, Like three months have gone by and he's never once called her for the week that he's supposed to have. So you're thinking, well, what's going on with him? Why is he not collecting? On the bargain and she's screaming down this bond that she didn't even know she was screaming down it. It's a tab moment for me. She did a great job. You know anybody. Anybody come please help me and then he went oh zen like ah, thank you read it for now.
Speaker 1:You got a little quotey quote I mean it says hello, favorite of darlin every time I that that's a tab for me anytime. It's tabbed baby with his color, chanel's getting excited. So, excited yeah, it's tabbed with his color because I was like, oh my God, this is amazing, like you said, but it's just crazy that it got to that extreme point where she.
Speaker 2:You know, walking down the aisle.
Speaker 1:Right, right when she was. Like ah, hell, no, you know what I mean. Like that's what it took was.
Speaker 3:Well, this is a person who has always been a fighter. I mean, she's always had, basically. I mean she's living in a tiny little cabin, but she's free, she's able to go out and do what she wants. Yeah, the struggle is real, but she's not confined to that cabin, she's not confined to answering to anybody made her own rules. Yeah, I mean, she's her own person, she's the main character in her story.
Speaker 1:You know she's not main character in tam or you know tamlin's story over here that's so true, and now it's yeah, she's living by his rules and in his court, and it's scary.
Speaker 2:I love a good dramatic wedding scene. I love that Racine just swooped in, collected on the debt, took her.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:Took this big frosted cupcake and took her out this dress sounds and he mentions it too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Isn't he like what do you wear?
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's like it's a hideous dress, even I mean when even tamlin thinks it's a hideous dress you know, it's terrible um, I do think sarah j uh mastered a nice job writing this you.
Speaker 2:I felt like I could really feel how pharaoh was feeling in this moment, like the panic that was rising and she didn't even know what to do or which.
Speaker 1:Again, lucian could tell that she wasn't okay and he didn't do anything yes, the only thing is I just want to mention, cause we skipped, one of my tabs, is, is, and this was actually during one of their little sex apades is, and you know, I don't really know if this will come up, but maybe it was mentioned a little bit later. But, but this will come up, but maybe it was mentioned a little bit later. But Farrah and Tamlin are talking and and she was kind of again like wondering what she's going to like, what her role is going to be after she marries Tamlin, right, and she's like I don't know if I can handle them calling me a high lady. And he's like, like I said, they're like in the middle of like having sex or whatever. And he's like oh, they won't, there's no such thing as a high lady.
Speaker 1:And she's like wait, whoa, whoa, calm down. She's like what do you mean? There's no such thing as a high lady. He's like high lords only take wives like consorts, basically Like there's never been such a thing as a high lady. And she's like well, what about? Like Lucien's mom? And he's like, well, she's lady of the autumn court, but like she's not a high lady, you're just going to be lady of the spring court, like you're just going to be my wife, like you're just going to be a little side piece.
Speaker 2:His fragile male ego.
Speaker 1:I know he can male ego, I know I can't even take it. He's like they'll respect you and he's like you know, but you're not gonna be like a high, like a high fae lady, you know, and so I just thought that was really interesting, like okay. So even though she has, um, all of this high fae blood, you know she's technically more high faith than any of these high.
Speaker 1:That's a good phase of the courts or whatever, a good point these silly males but it and, like I said, I don't know yet if or when this that comes back up, but I was like very interesting anyway yeah, I guess I didn't just another part of tamlin holding her down yeah, yeah, um is it what it feels like, anyways?
Speaker 2:because I think he's probably honestly like, he's probably jealous of her. Yeah, also part of this issue, true? True, even if he doesn't want to admit it. Um, I did. I did forget to mention they are having a lot of sex. It feels like that's the only thing that tamlin and fair are yeah, repress the real problems.
Speaker 3:They're fixing everything with sex Instead of talking about it, talking about the dreams Instead. Every night they're coming together that way and not talking about anything. That's true.
Speaker 2:So Brisan saves her from her wedding and he takes her to the night court. And this is the first time we meet Morgan. Yes, that's right, sorry, it's all running together for me because I've been reading them back to back.
Speaker 3:But yes, this is the first time.
Speaker 2:And this is the first time that she meets or the first time she goes to the night court and. Morgan is there, which I loved Morgan from the beginning.
Speaker 3:I loved her character. Yeah, because she's not afraid to put recent or place or being hit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's not afraid at all yes yes and um, and now I'm trying to remember what I don't think. A lot happens the first time she's out of the night court, she gets like some new clothes that are like night court clothes. It's just like a breather, basically, yeah.
Speaker 3:It's basically the first time that she goes there. It's like there's that meeting between her and Morgan and then it's like a lot of time, a lot of that he's not actually present. He's just trying to teach her how to read and how to put up the mental shields.
Speaker 2:Which is another thing I can't believe. Lucian and Tamlin didn't teach her how to read. They both knew she couldn't read after Under the Mountain.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:She's been back at the Supreme Court for how?
Speaker 3:long. Lucian knew it. Sorry, Tamlin knew it halfway through the first book or something. Oh, that's right. Yeah, Like he knew she couldn't read.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well and clearly, Lucan, I would be like my life was dependent on this shit. I'm a son because you couldn't read, I know. But I think your next point is she basically is learning, which I don't know again, why she hasn't learned from Tamlin about what's going on in the world, about this war that's taking place, the history of what's happening. Yes, tamlin kind of, or Rhysand, tells her about what's going on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he like tells her and then he wants her help. He's like you can be useful. You are more than what's happening right now. And then I mean honestly this might be jumping around a little bit, but Feyre's kind of a spy for the spring court for a little bit. But the first, like, while she's going to the night court she tells Tamlin and Lucien everything that's going on there.
Speaker 3:Which is why which is the only reason, I think Tamlin lets her go so easily every time, instead of putting up any fight, because he's like oh, I get some information out of her, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:At least some information out of her. Yeah, yeah, at least that the first couple of times.
Speaker 2:So, but this does accelerate Tamlin's behavior, though. Every time she leaves he freaks out more and is like locking down security on her and on the house and the, so tensions are just getting higher and their relationship is just breaking apart at this point, and then comes the tithe Tithe.
Speaker 1:Tithe, the tithe Tithe.
Speaker 3:Yep, which I don't know, I don't know either.
Speaker 2:But this is the first time it's happening since, well I think since the curse right.
Speaker 1:Yes, for 50 years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it sounds stupid.
Speaker 3:That's fuck yeah, it's supposed to have happened close to each solstice. Yeah, which we then find out is farrah's birthday on a winter solstice, and she doesn't even feel like sorry, I cut you off I'm excited.
Speaker 2:I I mean she doesn't tell anybody, she tells not tamlin well, not them, but she tells reese. I thought when part one oh, she might tell her, sam, but she doesn't tell anybody no one in the spring court.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I'm saying she can't even, she can't even feel comfortable telling these people that, like winter, solstice is her birthday, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they don't even bother to ask yeah, that was also strange, like this has never come up. Yeah, Like you guys really care, aren't you?
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. So this tithe that they're doing everybody from the Supreme Court is supposed to bring some kind of payment to Tamlin for his quote-unquote protection, even though I think he does a pretty crap job of protecting anybody.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's why he's doing a good job.
Speaker 2:So why they're paying him?
Speaker 3:And then this is what Chanel was bringing up earlier, was we meet the water?
Speaker 2:rights. I think wraith, wraith. Uh, I'm gonna talk about it now. This was a turning point for me.
Speaker 1:I thought with tamlin, yes, um, yeah, it's so. Yeah, because everyone has to tie these specific like scary sounding and looking motherfuckers but they're too poor and like almost like outcasts of the spring court, yeah and um. And so they're like these sisters and um, and so they tell tamlin and and farah that they like can't pay. They're like there's no the lake, there's no fish. And that was supposed to be their tide. And so they're like, you know, we don't have anything.
Speaker 3:They're starving right, they're starving, they're not even eating yeah. Which he blames on them, right, because he says they're like a gluttonous People. They're a gluttonous people, they're gluttonous fey or whatever, that they just eat, eat and eat and eat and then so they've trained he blames them for training too late, um, but they're like we don't have anything.
Speaker 1:And I guess, like the, the rule of the tithe is that if you don't, you have like three days to come up. If you can't pay immediately, you have three days to come up with it and then you'll. If you don't, then you'll be punished. And so he's like I think it's.
Speaker 3:If you don't, then it's doubled.
Speaker 1:The next time okay and then I think it's probably punishment, okay, um, but so he's like, he's like you have three days or whatever, because obviously she didn't pay the or the sisters didn't pay, and feyra's like I think it seemed like maybe subtly or maybe not subtly, but she was like she's like, she's like left the throne.
Speaker 1:She's like yeah, she tried to tell him at first, like like just be nice to them or just like give them a break, and he was like that's when he what we were saying. He was like this is the way it always is. This is the way it always is If we a break, then we seem weak.
Speaker 3:He's so worried about this image instead of being a good person.
Speaker 1:The way my dad did it, the way my granddad did it. He's like we can't break tradition. And then she was like, and then that's when she's like.
Speaker 3:I've had enough. You gave people 50 years off and you can't just expect people to come back immediately and be able to do. It's not like they were just there. You can't just expect people to come back immediately, yeah, and be able to do like you gotta. I mean, it's not like they were just there in his court for 50 years Not paying. They were, weren't they under the mountain Like?
Speaker 1:yes, some of them were held captive under the mountain, or they were pushed to other courts, or you know, fighting for their life.
Speaker 3:And so she, I just like Three months isn't enough time.
Speaker 1:Right. So she's like. She like was thinking in her head. I just liked it because she's just like. I know what it's like to be poor, I know what it's like to not have food and be fighting.
Speaker 3:And she's like she said that straight to him right.
Speaker 1:I think so Right to Tamlin, she might have said it, because I think later they sexed it up and then talked about that? Yeah, they had a. Well, they had a fight first and then yeah.
Speaker 3:And he was like yeah, I get where you're coming from, like I got to do better, which is just all talk. I feel like Of course.
Speaker 1:But she like, stomps off and follows the wraiths and is like hey, take like she was wearing all this gaudy jewelry and she's like take, but she hated Right. Well, didn't she say sometimes she she'd never worn the same piece of jewelry. Yeah, yeah, she clearly didn't. She's like we don't miss it. Yeah, we don't need this.
Speaker 3:She's like take this, use this, um, as your type, because you know I don't want it, we don't need it I really liked that portion of the book because you just knew, because I think, uh, she said me and my sisters will never forget this. I don't know if it was her that said that, or maybe Ianthe or somebody, no, the.
Speaker 1:Wraith did.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, so I was like you, just know, like sometime this is coming back. It's coming back this is coming back and it's going to be like in her favor.
Speaker 2:Yes, and it just to me. It changed things. Like you already weren't feeling great about Tamlin, now you feel worse about him, but it was making me like Feyre more and more she was like what was important to us.
Speaker 3:She's not afraid to stick up for things that are actually right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:So which Tamlin, like what you guys said, he's not happy about this, that she does this, and they don't. They kind of talk about what they don't, they just have sex like very healthy coping mechanisms here, um, which again, tell me if I'm skipping over too much for you. But then this comes, that this is the start of like their first huge fight that happens because he keeps promising that he's going to do better.
Speaker 2:He never does. They're in his office and it's the first time I feel like feyra is very honest about how she's feeling and she says something along the lines I'm drowning here, I'm really asking for help. Yes, tamlin makes it about himself and gets so angry he like blows up this office yeah like, explodes it, and I guess I didn't mention this either.
Speaker 1:Thayer has some powers yeah, okay, I wanted to talk about that go no, no, go ahead.
Speaker 2:Oh, just that she, like doesn't really know what's happening to her, doesn't know what power she shields herself from this explosion that happens. She doesn't really know how she's doing. That, though she doesn't understand. And, um, oh, because was this fight about them using her, using her powers?
Speaker 1:um it. It wasn't a, it was no, it was about her giving the gifts to the, the wraiths. But they had been fighting about um her powers earlier. We missed that. So fights had been building up before, because, when she comes back from the night court, reese had wanted her to train. Yes, and she had asked Tamlin and Lucien.
Speaker 2:And Lucien did actually have her back on that.
Speaker 1:He had her back on that, but they had had a fight about it.
Speaker 3:But he basically said you know, tamlin was like, if we train her, then they'll come, then they'll come.
Speaker 1:It'll be a warning.
Speaker 3:yeah to yes, so and and he's afraid they'll they'll take her away, for they'll try to kill her just because she has so much power, or they'll try to take her away for other nefarious reasons yes, so that was another fight and then this fight.
Speaker 1:So it was just, and this was insane yeah, multiple multiple fights.
Speaker 2:Just yeah, he could have really hurt her Anybody.
Speaker 3:This is like the one time she's actually finally communicating they're not just using sex as a way to get out of talking and she's finally communicating to him that she's drowning and how he takes it, because I think she mentions like well then why, if you want someone that you can just keep around here, then why don't you find somebody else? And then he just loses it and then like okay so you're not capable of having an actual conversation with anybody Right right, you're just going to lose it in a temper tantrum every single time.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep.
Speaker 2:And that was, yeah, that was a tab moment for me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was actually really.
Speaker 2:The psycho.
Speaker 3:That was a really cool part of the book because you're like wow, farrah, farrah, like what is this shield that you're putting up, that you're wrapping yourself in some like weird cocoon that not even Tamlin could get into until she dropped it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was amazing. It made you really interested on what, like which kind of power she'll actually hold.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what else can she do?
Speaker 2:Yes, and then I don't know if it's the very next day after this, but he's so. Now Tamlin's like doubling down on everything, like if she thought she was being controlled before he's leaving to do something with Lucien, and he, I mean, I looked at it, put her on house arrest, put this like ward around the house so she couldn't leave. And Lucian just walks out with Tamlin. Even if he doesn't think it's okay, he does nothing to help her.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's just like Farah we'll be back and it'll get better.
Speaker 1:And he's just going through a really hard time. Don't bother trying, that's what he says. Ugh, I'm like that's when, when Lucien lost me. I was like like you're not. You're not even bother, bothering like to to to talk down Tamlin, you know what I mean. Like I thought you were her friend.
Speaker 2:You're taking away somebody's free will, and so she has a panic attack and like wraps herself in this cocoon of darkness. It's like fire.
Speaker 3:I think it's fire, wind, Like it's a lot of the elements.
Speaker 2:It almost makes it sound like it's all of her powers in one. And she's wrapped herself in Darkness too.
Speaker 3:It's the first time that like it's the first time she hasn't had her own free will, basically, other than like the time she had to spend in the jail for Under the Mountain. But like she chose to do that, she knew that's what it took.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she chose, she chose yeah she's not choosing to be locked up in this house where she cannot escape. It's just like for the first time she's locked up and she's like this is exactly what I've been afraid of this entire time, of this, like just never being able to leave and do what I want to do, my freedom just just totally taken away from me. Me I'm immortal and now I'm stuck inside a house.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's so powerful it melts the ring off of her hand yeah. Wild Wild. I loved it. I mean I didn't love it for fair, because it made me kind of anxious to read it. For somebody to feel that trapped, but I mean.
Speaker 1:Panic attack to the max.
Speaker 2:But I love the way she describes this Kakuna darkness. And then I love this Mord comes and picks her up and takes her away.
Speaker 3:I think a couple of like the house servants tried to get in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were unable to. They didn't know what to do.
Speaker 3:And I thought it was kind of cool Because I'm pretty sure she mentions it at this point. But I guess Rhysand broke that ward without barely a thought. Like he's so powerful he's like.
Speaker 2:Like butter.
Speaker 1:Get that out of here. But you find out that he couldn't go past into the spring court Because he had to follow X, Y, Z rules and not to start some sort of crazy war with Tamlin. So he sent more in because she wasn't, she wouldn't have violated the rules. So she she picked her up and she she took her to the night yeah, uh, well, she he takes.
Speaker 2:She actually takes her to valaris, right? I don't think so, not right away she takes.
Speaker 3:It's not quite under, it's not quite the mountain right. Isn't it somewhere outside the mountain, like a cabin or something?
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, so she sees it, though I think she takes him there to meet Reese and then from there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let me see.
Speaker 3:From there, reese is still trying to say like hey, I really want you on my team.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she, she takes it Like you said, right outside of Valeris.
Speaker 3:But then and she, and I think she's like you know, finally somebody wants me for for who I am. So he wants to train me and and he's like if you decide this, your decision, if you decide you want to come with me and you want to learn about this war that's going to happen, then you can't, that's it, but you can't tell anybody. So it's like she's like yeah, finally someone isn't going to treat me like a baby or try to lock me up. And I think that's when he's like all right, let's take you to.
Speaker 3:Probably because he knew that she was giving away all the secrets. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:well, yeah, I mean I'm sure you did I'm sure, because I'm sure that got sent down the bond so he was like okay, if you, like, you said, if you do this, nothing can leave. Nothing can leave because because we mentioned that she had been training with her- bond?
Speaker 2:right she had been, I guess. No, we didn't mention it.
Speaker 3:Brie Sande's teacher to read and she can build mental blocks in her mind so people can't enter it, I think the second time she got taken to the night court before this he was actually really impressed Because she had been able to completely block him out several times and he was like that's really impressive. I can't remember what the word is for the person that goes into the.
Speaker 1:I know they say it and I don't remember it now either it starts with a D yeah, I tabbed it Tab it.
Speaker 3:He's really good at it, so he's really impressed that she's able to block him out sometimes, and then she's also a little frightened on how much she sends down the bond.
Speaker 1:He's like I can't help but send down the bond, just the pressure, come on. Uh, dave, dave, marty, they can walk into another person's mind as if we're going from one room to another.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what a cool power to have. Mm-hmm, I want that power. Yeah, so that's part one, and so she's free. She's with her sand, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And she's going to Valeris, which is the city of Starlight, uh-huh Woo.
Speaker 2:It really didn't take tamlin long to unravel just yeah, just a couple months yeah, yeah, oh god.
Speaker 3:Three months and well, maybe more, maybe four yeah, I'll give them a question.
Speaker 2:Gosh, I know it's really sad anything else you want to talk about the first part?
Speaker 1:you have a favorite part, or I mean, I just really liked it. My favorite parts are always when Reese enters, like how calm he is in, even in a court of thorns and roses Like I.
Speaker 3:I didn't like the most beautiful man she's ever seen.
Speaker 1:No, that wasn't even that Cause you didn't know who he was. But like I didn't really like the book and then you didn't know who he was in that scene, in like the bonfire scene or whatever. But then when he enters, when they're all having like breakfast, and then he just is like ripping into her mind and like he like notices there's another place setting and he's like he like noticed he gets her by the curtain.
Speaker 3:And he's pissed that Tamlin and Lucician would try to glamor him yeah, I'm like that.
Speaker 1:Literally. I was like oh, it's getting interesting, like there's an interesting character.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because before that I was like these people are just blah to me and you would think you were thinking like the whole time, like this is the, this is the bad guy.
Speaker 2:This is the villain.
Speaker 1:This is the guy we're supposed to hate.
Speaker 3:you know this, this beautiful man we're supposed to hate. This beautiful man. We're supposed to hate him, even though at that moment in that book they were mentioning Amarantha quite often. This is the guy we're going to hate long term.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is her soldier that she sent her. Like you said, her bad guy. He's doing her bidding and blah blah blah. But I wasn't even hating him, I just thought he was so interesting. Oh, he can break into minds Like I'm just like he's given some depth to this book because it's so fucking boring, and um, but the same thing when he popped into the wedding I'm like, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:That was my favorite part too the wedding.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, that was just my favorite part.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for me it was the probably that wedding part and then maybe the uh exploding office bedroom part.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, I didn't even think that was nice well, I just, it was like for it was like this first opening of like what fair could be.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I really like when, like no characters. They're like, oh man, like surprisingly strong man. Feyre could be just bad ass.
Speaker 1:Well, I, before that, though she, because it was in um, she was having a conversation with Lucien and she jumped into his head really quick.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that was what was yeah, that was pretty cool she was like she's like wait, I did forget about that what she didn't even try.
Speaker 1:She didn't even try an accident and that was kind of cool because it was like a parallel to when she was like she's like, wait, I did forget about that, what she didn't even try, she didn't even try as an accident. And that was kind of cool because it was like a parallel to when she was under the mountain and she saw herself dying and I thought that was cool and obviously it, um, like you said, it kind of shows, um, like her shielding and like the demonte or whatever that she can do, and so I was like um, I thought that was like a really cool part. But again, it's like we see that power and, like you said, then we see the shielding and then this cocoon of darkness. So you're like she has a couple, couple of different things. Hmm, so it does make her seem a little more interesting. Anything to make her seem more interesting? What, what, what, whoops, whoops, tab it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, should we wrap it up and do some kudos, kudos, let's do it. Oh, I guess we should explain this to Danny. He clearly doesn't listen to our podcast.
Speaker 3:I know right. Well, you weren't kudu-ing at the beginning.
Speaker 2:What do you mean?
Speaker 1:We've kudu kudos since day one, have you? Uh, maybe since the first week it took. Maybe it took. Yeah, it was like the first week, the first. Like I was like, yeah, the first two episodes we maybe didn't do it, but we've done it for it's just it's just a positive thing that we try to.
Speaker 2:Usually we're just loving each other here, but we give kudos to people that have helped with our week or something. Yeah, yeah yeah, I mean chanel will go first. You don't have to do it if you don't want to.
Speaker 1:It's literally just people or things. It's usually people that have like yeah, like you, she said, made, made our week, literally, that's it well, I'll go first because I have two.
Speaker 2:My first kudos is for stacy, because she made a human this weekend I guess that's impressive it's impressive. Ivy's here. Is she like still naming her ivy now, danny stop did she change it? Um, ivy is here and she's beautiful, and I talked to sacy today and she's okay with us posting a photo of her, so we will post her.
Speaker 2:To the instagram so everybody can see this beautiful baby and sacy's Baby and Stacey's amazing. Her superpower is giving birth. She didn't sweat at all. It's wild to me. She didn't even look like she was in labor. It was nice and quick, mm-hmm. Yeah, she was a champ, it was amazing.
Speaker 3:It was pretty much right when you said it was going to happen. Uh-huh, late in the evening.
Speaker 1:I told us Thank you for coming to my timeframe, because it's really worked out for me in my day, I know, instead of at two in the morning.
Speaker 3:Still got home. Yeah, on time to meet up with Ashley and all that, oh my God.
Speaker 2:Because we were on call and just yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, you were on call too.
Speaker 2:I was on call last night, oh my God. And then my second kudos is for Danny, because he made the trip. We love you.
Speaker 3:Thank you for coming on and hanging out with us and being ridiculous.
Speaker 2:We love you. Thanks for having me. I was a little nervous.
Speaker 1:You did great. You don't seem nervous, I know you did great. I'm going to second all of those Ivy we're so happy you're in the world. And obviously, kudos to Stacey, because I literally cannot imagine pushing someone out of my vagina and I don't want to. So congrats on that man. I don't want to Congrats on that man because we're so happy to. Does she plan on having any more?
Speaker 2:I think they're done after this.
Speaker 3:They got both worlds. Yeah, they got both worlds. They're not going to be outnumbered. They said they don't want any more of this.
Speaker 2:They have a boy and a girl. They're not going to be outnumbered. They said they don't want any more than this, since they have a boy and a girl. They're done. I almost forgot, though, because Stacey called I'd be, like her, mother's Day present, because when we're filming right now, mother's Day is tomorrow, so I should also kudos all the mothers out there.
Speaker 1:Happy Mother's Day. Happy Mother's.
Speaker 3:Day Especially like my mom and Chanel's mom, my mom, sarah J Miller.
Speaker 1:You did a last name.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 3:Sarah J Mass.
Speaker 2:That is true.
Speaker 3:But she's Sarah J Miller. Kudos to all the mommas out there. I know right, you guys are amazing. We have to go to Costco after this.
Speaker 2:Is that what you're doing?
Speaker 3:Yeah, because I have to get the stand to this giant wind chime. My sister got her for Mother's Day.
Speaker 2:Moms, are wild.
Speaker 3:It's like three feet.
Speaker 2:Is this going to be us when we get?
Speaker 3:older For a wind child.
Speaker 2:Are we going to want stuff like this when we're older?
Speaker 3:No, Did your lawnmower come with the battery?
Speaker 2:Not yet. Well, I don't know. It's delayed in shipping. My mom's Mother's Day gift is delayed. So, hopefully it gets there soon, though, oh no, well, my other kudos is you, Danny?
Speaker 1:Thank you for coming on the show. I know you were nervous, so thank you for drinking away those.
Speaker 2:It's got to be you guys then yeah, danny, it better be yeah.
Speaker 1:It better be so.
Speaker 3:yeah, thank you thank you, my friends, since 2016.
Speaker 2:Friends plural. That's what.
Speaker 3:I said my friends.
Speaker 2:You were going to say Chanel when you said it, not me.
Speaker 3:My friends.
Speaker 2:My friend Stacey too, if she was here she'd be saying the same. Thing. Her little seats would be right now. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I didn't meet Stacey. I was going to say, yeah, that was a later friend.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's true. A late addition, late edition, Maybe like 2018.
Speaker 3:When did you get back from Alaska?
Speaker 2:That's the first time you met Stacey.
Speaker 3:That's the first time. Now stop Seriously. That's the first time I met Stacey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 2018.
Speaker 3:And then she brought her really fun boyfriend. That's the first time I ever met her.
Speaker 1:Not her current husband, it was out.
Speaker 3:I think we went to a bar or something, yeah.
Speaker 2:Story for another time. Yeah, yikes, story for another time.
Speaker 1:He was a Tamlin. He was worse than a Tamlin. He was. Is there some other toxic characters in this thing? I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm book three. Oh yeah, there's some baddies that come up. But, Tamlin Stoll is number one for me for some reason. Yeah, he just it's him. I think my issue with him if you're gonna be a bad guy, just be a bad guy. Don't be a bad guy and then act like a good guy it just irks me but anyways, that makes sense, that makes sense well, we don't have stacy here to say her little thing. Do you want to say it, chanel?
Speaker 1:uh lead us out yeah, thanks for listening everyone, and um happy mother's day and everyone, read what you like.
