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Miguel Watches Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
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Our Fan Cub President Miguel has being watching the Harry Potter series for the first time, crazy we know! Check out our new bonus episode series were we get Miguels thoughts and opinions on the Harry Potter series!
Step into our enchanting conversation on 'Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire' as Lindsay and Miguel, our two whimsical guests, stir the potion of debate and adoration for the series. With Miguel's fresh eyes casting a critical spell and Lindsay's deep-rooted Potterhead knowledge, we conjure a rich brew of insights. From the portrayal of creatures and wizarding schools to the nuances of character development and the series’ alignment with the ages of its characters, we tap into the very essence of the magical world that's captivated us for decades.
***Produced by Jen Hardin***
Hi, I'm Chanel. Hi, I'm Stacy hey nerds, this is Ashley and this is Fiction Fanatics.
Speaker 3Is this time yeah.
Speaker 4You're longest yet.
Speaker 3I think so Are you serious Right away.
Speaker 4Yeah, he was typing away.
Speaker 1I have questions Right away, since I did kind of a mini rewatch I didn't even get to finish it, obviously, but I was like, oh, I want to ask about this. I want to ask about this.
Speaker 4He finished it this morning. Oh really.
Speaker 3I couldn't do it in one sitting.
Speaker 2Now stop. It's not that bad.
Speaker 3Save it for the pot.
Speaker 2We're on the potter. We are recording.
Speaker 1Welcome, everybody.
Speaker 2Okay, we're here. We have a bonus episode today. It's so exciting. Yes, what are we?
Speaker 1doing Chanel. We are interviewing our two friends, Lindsay and Miguel. Lindsay loves Harry Potter and Miguel hates it, and so we decided to do a series where we have Miguel watch all of the Harry Potter movies. And now we are on the Goblet of Fire and we're getting his opinion and seeing what he thinks about them.
Speaker 2It's already not good.
Speaker 3Let's be clear I don't hate the movies. I've never seen them and they're just not good.
Speaker 4When we started this, it was just he was watching them for the first time, and now we've seen that he hates them.
Speaker 1I'm putting that opinion on him. One could conclude. Yes and so, yeah, it's been interesting getting his thoughts as a non Harry Potter fan.
Speaker 2Or just like not a fan of anything.
Speaker 3I like many things. Did I tell you what?
Speaker 2your name is in my phone, speaking of Miguel being grumpy it's Lindsay Miguel Sunshine, because he's grumpy. You're like the sunshine grumpy couple. That's their trope. That's their trope. So you guys are a trope on my phone, I like it Is Miguel's grumpy in your phone. It's just Miguel.
Speaker 1First I also want to say it is Remus Lupin's birthday today, so happy birthday to love of my life.
Speaker 2I'm kind of into werewolves right now. Who's?
Speaker 3that Don't roll your eyes at me.
Speaker 2He is Are you kidding?
Speaker 3me, he was a professor, oh David.
Speaker 1Thule's, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4Yeah, from the last he's not in this one.
Speaker 3Right, yeah, didn't he get hurt? And then he ran away. He turned into the werewolf.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's in hiding.
Speaker 3Yeah, because everyone knows a secret now, and you're not allowed to be a werewolf in the Wizarding World In anxiety.
Speaker 4And especially a professor of students. I think that was the bit. Parents were not happy they were like it's frowned upon Turn our students into werewolves, yeah.
Speaker 2She knows, like I wish he would turn me into a werewolf. He would.
Speaker 4He would like that it's like a social taboo kind of thing, but he'll come Gotcha.
Speaker 2The next one.
Speaker 3Well, spoiler alert.
Speaker 2You've got fruit in it, you guys. He hasn't seen it.
Speaker 1Yeah, we're just saying it's not like he's dead or like outcast or a little bit.
Speaker 4If someone didn't die in the universe, they'd come back Right. Like there's not really any character that I don't know.
Speaker 1Wait, what do you mean? You're saying a character in Harry Potter if they die, they no, if they don't die.
Speaker 2She's saying they get mentioned again, right? Yeah, I can't think of anybody that's mentioned throughout the books. That isn't in it, at least in the background, the whole time.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 1I mean, unless they're like real, true side characters. You know what I mean. And then they're just like yeah, maybe. Maybe they are, I think, like you know, dean and Seamus kind of. They're just like kind of sitting in the bed, right, they just like they're just there.
Speaker 4We don't really know what happens to them. Yeah, they're comic really, yeah, right.
Speaker 3When I was watching this movie for the first time, I was remarking upon how much I like Robert Pattinson's character, and I was watching it with Lindsay and she goes oh, that's funny, because he dies, he's not gonna die.
Speaker 1Lindsay, did I do that? Yeah, okay major spoiler.
Speaker 4I said the end after he had died, and you thought he would come back. And I was like no, he died. Yeah, you thought he'd be in another movie. You were like not even for 10 seconds. I was like no, he died.
Speaker 2He's so funny in this movie I think we've talked about this in the past. He did an interview because he loves that he was in a Harry Potter movie. And he did an interview that he wanted to look so cool in this movie and he wanted to hold his wand differently than everybody else did. So if you notice like, especially in the graveyard, he like holds his wand like this, like a gun. He's like trying to hold like a gun. He's like I look so stupid.
Speaker 1No one holds it like that. He didn't get any training.
Speaker 4And no one stopped him either. I know you just let him do it. He does look cool in the movie.
Speaker 1Yeah, I love it. He's the coolest, everyone loves him, but okay, so before we get into, I guess like the plot or initial thoughts about Cedric Robert Pattinson, what do you think about him?
Speaker 3What do you mean? What context?
Speaker 1In general. What do you think about the character Cedric? What do you think of Robert Pattinson playing him?
Speaker 3If it wasn't Robert Pattinson, I would not find the character remarkable in any way.
Speaker 2I agree with that. Actually, I don't think anybody else could do it, and I would be that invested in the movie.
Speaker 1Well, it's kind of funny though because the character in the book is supposed to be this really cool guy Like he's supposed to be.
Speaker 4Big man on campus.
Speaker 1Yeah, and so to like outshine Harry, right, Like that's why no one wants Harry to win, even the other Hogwarts student. But I think it adds another layer that it is Robert Pattinson. So, like he said, I don't think anyone else could play him.
Speaker 3Was he Robert Pattinson when this movie came out?
Speaker 1No, this was like his first movie.
Speaker 2Before Twilight yeah, yeah, but he has said that if he had to pick between doing two franchises, it would have been the one movie in Harry Potter and none of the Twilight movies.
Speaker 4Which is just saying something that was probably before Batman. Yeah.
Speaker 2I'm telling you, when Robert Pattinson jumps out of that tree in this movie, I'm like it's gonna be a great movie. That was his entrance.
Speaker 1Okay, the other thing I wanted your thoughts on is what did you think of Quidditch? So we start off with the Quidditch World Cup and so, like that's the first time you actually see like real Quidditch right, it's not them teenagers playing. What did you think of it in general? The graphics, the idea of like this is their sport, that they're obsessed with Terrible.
Speaker 2What do you mean? Terrible I?
Speaker 3just seem so tedious to watch that because it's all CGI and there's very little story happening. It's just it's meant to be a spectacle and I get if you're a kid it probably looks great, but if it's all computer for 15 minutes straight it's not fun for me.
Speaker 4But it wasn't 15 minutes. They just kind of introduced the teams and then you don't even see the game. The game, yeah.
Mad Eye Moody and Barty Crouch
Speaker 2Which is weird. Using the book, it's a whole thing, Like it's a huge part of the beginning of the book, Because it really introduces you to other cultures, like outside of Hogwarts, other schools.
Speaker 1you like learn about other countries.
Speaker 3Right. So the Irish team was playing. They had a firework of a leprechaun. Do leprechauns exist in this world?
Speaker 2I don't think so.
Speaker 3If wizards exist in this world, why don't leprechauns exist and why would they still have them as a mascot? That's a good question. They're magical beings. Good question, we'll have to ask Don't dwarves exist in this world?
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3But, and werewolves exist in this world.
Speaker 2Yes, and vampires and elves.
Speaker 3And elves and vampires, but not leprechauns. They're like that's where we draw them on Giants and dragons and mermaids but no leprechaun.
Speaker 4That'd be silly.
Speaker 1Yeah and yeah, and villas and sliders. So much, okay, I think I'm trying to think what else? Okay, I'm sure you have. Go ahead and get those. Those are just the first things that I was like immediately. I guess what were your thoughts on Mad Eye Moody in general? This is the actor.
Speaker 3Brandon Gleason yes, I hated this character.
Speaker 2Why I don't know why I'm so shocked? Why do you?
Speaker 1hate him.
Speaker 3I was telling Lindsay it's like it's the difference between somebody playing a character on Disney and Nickelodeon versus somebody playing a character on HBO. It's just all all. All he was there to do was just to be hammy and to be quote, unquote fun, which I don't enjoy.
Speaker 2Was he fun? Is that how we're describing Mad Eye Moody?
Speaker 3Like a fun character to watch, yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, Like just outrageous and and over the top.
Speaker 3None of the things he does makes any sense.
Speaker 2Like what.
Speaker 3Like when he turns.
Speaker 2Franco yeah.
Speaker 3Into the ferret.
Speaker 2Uh huh.
Speaker 3Like one that just came out of nowhere. He just ran up and turned him into a ferret and two. There were no consequences for it, even though it was against the rules.
Speaker 1Yeah, Because well one, it's Hogwarts. We've already talked about this there are no consequences.
Speaker 4There are no consequences We've talked about this before.
Speaker 1There's never any consequences. Harry has no consequences, uh huh, like Snape has. No. No one has consequences. Okay, but also the point is um Dumbledore said to watch out for Harry and Harry was getting bullied, if you know it. Like two minutes before when Malphoy has the amazing line and he's like I don't think you're going to last 10 minutes in this tournament. And then he's like my father doesn't think you're going to last five minutes in this tournament. So clearly he deserved.
Speaker 2To be turned into a ferret.
Speaker 3Yes, but shouldn't he also have some emotional trauma for being stuffed down the pants of his best friend?
Speaker 1He does. Anytime someone says the word ferret, he's very.
Speaker 2There are some fan fictions where they bring up this incident and how traumatizing it actually would have been for a student.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 4To be transformed into a ferret and like toss around and then there's also the subtext there where Madi's not really Madi in that moment and um, he has issues with the Malphoy family Right, him and Lucius go back as death eaters together. He feels like his father. You know is not amounted to what he has amounted to.
Speaker 1So he's taking it out. On Draco, yeah, you don't get this context because it's the movie and not the book.
Speaker 3Right Meaning like this is David Tennant's character. Yeah.
Speaker 4Right, right, right when he has this sort of like anger towards that family for other reasons.
Speaker 1So that's why he's taking it out on this ferret Right On Draco, you know.
Speaker 3Gotcha. So then Moody never existed Not at.
Speaker 2Hogwarts, not until he comes out of a crate.
Speaker 4That's the real.
Speaker 2It's always David Tennant. He was never teaching those kids.
Speaker 4Wow. But every time he takes a swig from his flask, that's the potion that keeps him. You didn't get that, no. You never got that, no. And so when he does the little tongue thing, that's him like slipping, and so he'll usually take some flask to like oh, I gotta make sure I don't turn back into myself.
Speaker 3So I only noticed that after David Tennant did that in like the jury area.
Speaker 4And then you get why his dad we're getting into it now. But when he runs into his dad and he sees him do that and he kind of like and he peeps it together, yeah. And then what happens to his dad? Oh, he winds up dead.
Speaker 3What's the character's name? Crunch.
Speaker 2Crouch Crouch.
Speaker 3Crouch.
Speaker 1Which the book does a much better job, getting into the whole family of the Crouches Because there's also an elf that we don't even get to learn about, winky Winky, who does this whole. They like switch because the mom is like dying and because you don't understand, like Barty Crouch Jr, david Tennant.
Speaker 1He obviously was sentenced to Azkaban for his crimes for working with Voldemort and before the story, before the story. And so you're like how does he get out? Like how does he get out and is able to turn into Maddye Moody and pull all this off? And the reason is because the Barty Crouch Sr, their family has this elf, winky, and his wife is like dying and they like pull off this plan where the elf is able to operate into Azkaban, brings the dying wife in, she takes Polyjuice potion, the mom turns into her son and switches with her son in Azkaban and the elf takes Disapparates with Barty Crouch, david Tennant and he's able to escape. That's how he's able to see, otherwise you can't get out of Azkaban. Everybody thinks he's dead and so everyone thinks he died in prison. It was his mom that died because she was already dying anyway, and that literally. So you have no context. You're like how did this dude just get sentenced to Azkaban?
Speaker 1And he's just out, and now, he's out Like no one knows this whole story. I forgot about that.
Speaker 4And the dementors are the guards of Azkaban and they can't see, they can only like, smell and sense. So a soul, yeah, and serious black, was the only other person to escape Azkaban until this point, and he did it by switching into his dog form.
Speaker 2But everybody knew he escaped. Nobody knew Barty Crouch escaped, right, they thought he died in prison.
Speaker 3And so why didn't anybody notice him in that trial? Because he was just sitting in the audience.
Speaker 4So that was pre, that was before. That was his sentencing right.
Speaker 1That was car crops.
Speaker 4Sorry, that was car crops and car crop outs him and that's when they take him to prison and his dad is like yep, it's too bad.
Speaker 2the movie doesn't get into the backstory of the first war because Barty Crouch Sr is like the Voldemort of the good side. He's like just as terrible as kind of Voldemort, but he's on the good side trying to and like, like where his son.
Speaker 1he's like doing all this stuff behind the scene and like his son is the one that like turns bad and he was trying to protect his family, his son essentially, and that was good.
Speaker 3So that went back in time Back in time.
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 3When you fell through that little.
Speaker 4You didn't think it was a memory. That was Dumbledore's memory.
Speaker 3Gotcha, I didn't click no so when he fell through.
Speaker 4He's next to Dumbledore, but Dumbledore is like what? 30 years.
Speaker 3No, I guess like 15 years 30 seconds younger.
Speaker 1Time for wizards is nothing. Yeah, there's like a whole.
Speaker 2They really get into the whole first war and how things went down in this book and they just didn't have time to do it in the movie, which is too bad because it really lays the foundation for how everything happened.
Speaker 3Okay, so then the guy that was on trial is Crumb's headmaster.
Speaker 1Yes, he was obviously a death eater and worked with David Tennant and obviously Voldemort, and they were from the first war.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 1So, Snape and Lucy is Malfoy and stuff like that.
Speaker 4And they still have their dark marks. That's that scene with Karkaroff and Snape, where he's like you can see it's growing stronger.
Speaker 3Gotcha Okay.
Speaker 4Because they go back.
Speaker 3I guess you need to listen to the dialogue.
Speaker 2Were you not listening to the dialogue? He's like scrolling on the phone, it's the worst part. The dialogue.
Speaker 3How poorly this movie is written is the worst part.
Speaker 1Well, I'm sure it's because they have to keep those kind of elements from the book. You know what I mean, Because they're key right Like oh the dark mark Does that change anything for you?
Speaker 4for Brandon Gleason's performance that he's in most of the movie, not just playing Maddye, he's playing someone who's cosplaying as Maddye.
Speaker 2Right Like face off and also face off. Did you watch that? No, nicholas Cage. No, I fucking hate Nicholas.
Speaker 1Cage, what I love, nicholas Cage, but also he, like David Tennant, is like crazy from being locked up in Ask man Prison, right. So like he's a kind of semi mentally unstable guy playing Maddye, who's also not the most stable, or right, he's a dark, darkish or yeah, or policeman guy, right, he's always about vigilance and stuff like that. It's a weird character to be anyway.
Speaker 3Yeah, didn't like it.
Speaker 4I should also mention the version of the movie we ended up watching included the deleted scenes and it was like the ABC Family Freeform cut version, because it would also like there were clear points for commercial breaks. So it was an interesting.
Speaker 3Yeah, but those were just like fade outs and then it would be black for a second and then fade back in.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3It's not like we lost anything.
Speaker 1What were the deleted scenes? I don't think I've seen the deleted scene.
Speaker 4Oh my God, there were a few times where I was like I haven't seen this in forever. There's a point in the Yule Ball where Snape is going around to different carriages, where kids are making out and Karkoff confronts him there for the first time and says like you should be worried and Snape's like I got nothing to worry about.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 4And Harry over here is all that, yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah, harry's standing in plain sight, just can't get recognized, no matter where he's at.
Speaker 1Okay, I have a question about, like the quote unquote romances in the movie, so like clearly Harry's starting to have a crush on Chell, but she's with Cedric, and then Hermione and Ron are like kind of like each other, kind of are fighting a little bit there, that kind of rope romances going on, and you see it kind of all play out at the Yule Ball. What are your thoughts about that slash, your thoughts about the Yule Ball?
Speaker 3I will say that the first act of this movie in the first half of the second act, where it's just like a horny Hogwarts romp, is the best part of the movie. If it was just that, I think it'd be a fine teenage movie.
Speaker 4No Triwizard tournament, no battles.
Speaker 3Cut all that out.
Speaker 2Ron is so hilarious in this movie, just like so annoying, I feel like I was gonna say yes, so annoying.
Speaker 1But it's so funny, he makes me mad.
Speaker 3Anyway good In his regards to Ron. I felt a kinship to Ron.
Speaker 2Oh no, you did not. The worst character, yeah.
Speaker 3I don't think that he was delivering any of his lines well, but he seems just like an angry teen yeah.
Speaker 4Chell said, was best friend being mean to the girl he likes because his idol scooped her up.
Speaker 2That would be difficult. I like to hate on Ron, but if this was me and somebody I liked was dating the person that I idolized, I'd be really petty, too, about it.
Speaker 1Your best friend is getting all of this recognition and you already feel second rate in your family, and then your best friend is chumming it up. Well, I mean yes and no. I mean Harry's actively getting bullied, but he doesn't know that.
Speaker 4But he kind of already has the eternal glory, for everyone knows his name, knows who he is for what he did. And so it's like oh, you want more eternal glory. Yeah, you suck, yeah, and Harry doesn't want any of it at all, but that's what I mean.
Speaker 1It's like if you were his true best friend, you would know this. He's always shied away from people asking for his autograph or people wanting his picture, and you should already know that, harry, he has money, but when has he ever rubbed it in Ron's face or the Weasley's face? And yet, okay, you think that he would sign up for this tournament? You really think he would do that?
Speaker 2I thought they did a good job. I thought Ron was more likable in the movie than in the book. Because you hate him in this book? Yeah, I know he's so mean to Harry. In the book they're supposed to be best friends. He's so mean to him it's crazy. I know, I was just so mad because I'm just like, but he's funny in the movie. I think the Yule Ball with Ron cracks me up every time I watch it.
Speaker 1It makes me so mad. It makes me so mad.
Speaker 3Anyway, yeah, his dress cloak. Oh my God, that was a funny gag.
Speaker 1All the frills on it so bad, oh, so bad.
Speaker 3Another thing I thought was funny is at the very beginning, when they're introducing the other houses or schools or whatever they are. How is how Dumbledore's like? Here's a parade of all of the people that are better than you in every single way possible.
Speaker 4And then they sing a song. That's kind of one of the deleted scenes I think he makes. Then it's Hogwarts term to perform and they all have to sing apparently the Hogwarts theme, I know.
Speaker 1You're like Hogwarts has a song.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah, I just know that and it's just so cringe compared to what the others have just for like out of tune. It's like.
Speaker 1I know, I know, but what was the other thing I was going to ask? You is okay, can we get into the actual tournament thoughts on, okay, the first task, which is the dragon. What are your thoughts on that, because I thought it's terrible.
Speaker 3Every one of them. We just we could wrap that piece up. They were all terrible. Why? Mostly because it's I found it very annoying that when Harry's getting ready to do something, he waits like three minutes on screen to do anything.
Speaker 1This is okay. This is my thoughts too, and I actually find this annoying too.
Speaker 1And it's even worse. In the books it's even worse, and I forgot about this until I was just watching it. And so he finds out from Hagrid, because of course Ron's an asshole and doesn't tell him about the dragons. And in the movie, actually it's Moody comes in right and is like, what are you going to do? Because you know all the other people are going to be preparing for the dragon, right? And he's like, well, I guess I can fly, like whatever. And so then it cuts right to the first task. But actually in the book he spends days. I'm going to, I don't even know I haven't read a book in a minute or a week, let's say trying to, because you have to, like, summon your broom.
Speaker 2It's more than that.
Speaker 1Hermione has to like literally teach him, yes, how to summon his broom across campus so that he can fly, obviously, and get away from this dragon. But he doesn't want to do it. He's complaining it's so terrible and Hermione's like forcing him to do it.
Speaker 2And that's not nice to her either about it when she's trying to teach him.
Speaker 1And she's like this is your life, you're going to die and it. But it happens like again with the second task. Obviously they're, you know, in the library they at least show it a little bit in the movie where she they're staying up all night. They show it like one night or whatever. But again he waits until the last minute to find out what the the egg says. Then find out okay, how am I going to breathe underwater? And it's like why are you taking this seriously? Because you're going to die if you don't figure out what's going to happen. And then, of course, then Hermione gets taken away so she can't help him. And it was just so annoying because I'm like okay, he's not at Hermione too.
Speaker 2When she's missing Right In the book, he's grumpy that he can't find her.
Speaker 1He's like she should be helping me with this and she's nowhere to be found and no, because, because of course Ron's not around and I'm just like, okay, you're relying on luck, slash Hermione, hermione, yeah. And I'm like you're a little skill, that you have very little skill, and I'm just like I don't know, it was just, it really annoyed me and it brought that back up when I was watching it again, where I'm just like yeah, and just the luck of Neville, which is orchestrated by Moody having given Neville that book to plant the seed, you know, and then Neville steals for him, shows up and it's like here's your magic thing that's going to solve your problem.
Speaker 4You're welcome. And in the book, I think, was it.
Speaker 2Dobby, it's Dobby.
Speaker 4Yeah, it was, but again like someone else, another character that's like here you go.
Speaker 2When you say so, when you're saying he pauses, like you mean he just stands there when the task starts, before he does anything.
Speaker 3Right yeah.
Speaker 2It is weird, I didn't realize that he does do that, doesn't he?
Speaker 3In every single one, and then at the, at the most critical point in those missions as well. He just doesn't do anything before the like the most dangerous piece.
Speaker 2You got to pause. You got to pause, take it in, go forward.
Speaker 3Yeah, he's centering himself. I get that.
Speaker 1He's meditating. I didn't know he was so zen.
Speaker 4Hermione has to yell at him like you have a wand.
Speaker 2Which is so funny that without her they would have all died in the first year. Absolutely, Absolutely.
Speaker 3So in these games, is it actually a possibility that these students would die? Yeah, why?
Speaker 1You know, that's something that I mean, I think because the professors can't interfere, I think Also because they're fighting a dragon.
Speaker 4Yeah, I think they established that, and I forget how often the tournament happens. What is it? They hadn't?
Speaker 2had it in a long time, Like every 50 years.
Speaker 4I think yeah, but people have definitely died During it Over time.
Speaker 3When Cedric comes back, dad? Why does it seem like it is unfathomable?
Speaker 1Because I don't think they've had it in 50 years.
Speaker 2Yeah, also speaking of that, was it not-? Like I know the whole movie, like some of it is kind of comical, but when Cedric is like transported back and his dad and his dad is like screaming for him, is that not so emotional? Though I thought it was so sad, no, I thought so.
Speaker 3All I thought when his dad was screaming at him was that has to have been awful on set for Robert Pattinson, because he's yelling like my boy three inches away from Robert Pattinson face.
Speaker 1He's a good actor, yeah.
Speaker 2I don't know, I thought that was. That was sad.
Speaker 1Well, ok, then let's go back to the graveyard.
Speaker 3See but then if, if Robert Pattinson died and he was worried that he was going to die when he gets absorbed by the bushes, wouldn't the girl have died too, because she got swallowed up by the bushes?
Speaker 2It's not that you, somebody, always dies, it's just like a possibility.
Speaker 3I don't think they're trying to kill the students, but you know I mean like they're not trying, but in the scenario if, if Robert Pattinson would have died if he got swallowed by the bushes. I don't think the girl already got swallowed by the bushes. I don't think he would have died.
Speaker 4I think, if I remember correctly in the book there's like professors stationed around the outside of the maze to like intervene and I don't know. I think if you get swallowed up you might just get taken out. Yeah, but you don't know that in the moment when it's happened.
Speaker 2You just can't win you can't get to the to the cop if you're swallowed by the bushes, Like I think it's.
Speaker 4I don't think it's also that is very different in the book. Yeah, because there's, yeah, the bushes themselves. They might be an obstacle, but there's way more like obstacles.
Speaker 3Then why did it seem like such an existential problem for Harry looking at Cedric getting swallowed up?
Speaker 2Yeah, because Cedric wanted to. It was about winning yeah.
Speaker 4And in the moment they don't know if they're going to die or not.
Speaker 2Yeah, I guess that's true too. I'm sure it's traumatizing if a bush is trying to swallow it.
Speaker 4It is like a little mini hunger games for Harry Potter where they're just like these teenagers are going to just put their lives on the line for our entertainment.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's true too, but I feel like it would. It was kind of like what you were saying, where it was like if they didn't, if they got sucked up by the maze, it would, they would like just exit. I don't think the maze because, like you said, floor just ended up getting out like she wasn't in crumb, they were just well in crumb was the witch to where, like he might have honestly killed somebody.
Speaker 3So then, what's the what's the risk like, what's the thrilling component of that challenge?
Speaker 1Well, so in the book it's there's a lot more. There was like a riddle.
Speaker 4There was a yeah reddles sphinx, yeah, so I think, I think Hygrid spiders.
Speaker 1So those probably were maybe more of the quote unquote dangerous things. I feel like then, like I don't think that maze was just scary, I think yeah.
Speaker 3I will say that I realized while I was watching this movie that this was the main scene. Was the first scene I'd ever watched of any Harry Potter movie when I was at my friend Josh's house and a junior in high school is on TV.
Speaker 1And I thought what is?
Speaker 3that? That looks dumb.
Speaker 1You're so stupid, Well, okay. So what do you think of the cemetery scene? Yeah, all the death.
Speaker 4Doesn't Harry throw up sparks for Floor, the girl yeah he does at some point, so she gets saved because they're told ahead of time. If you throw up red sparks, that means this. If you throw up green sparks, that means this. So I think he throws that up so that a professor saves.
Speaker 2But if you're, but she's, the clouds come in or I can cover it so nobody sees it. Is that what happens?
Speaker 3I thought nobody saw the sparks.
Speaker 2Is that what happened? You just watched it. I thought the maze was what I didn't get to that part.
Speaker 4I don't know that it gets. I haven't read the book in so long, but I think on the movie you watch. You watch that scene that this morning. I didn't watch it, but I think he you weren't even paying attention.
Speaker 3I remember the sparks for her to save her life.
Speaker 4Well, she's alive, so yeah, I think someone saw it.
Speaker 3So could you just done it again for Cedric.
Speaker 1Yeah, that was too.
Speaker 4I feel like that was too fast of a scene like he was you know on the ground, and because they're both Hogwarts and because they were friends beforehand, I think he's just like we'll just share it, yeah.
Speaker 3Were they friends.
Speaker 4Well, remember when they went to the trial, the Quidditch World Cup, and that's where they met, and Cedric, you know, helped them up off the ground and they both helped each other with their tasks, kind of, you know, like shared information. They had a rapport between them.
Speaker 2Okay, maybe not friends, but you know acquaintances.
Speaker 3Cedric felt like a mentor to Harry.
Speaker 4Until he stole his girl.
Speaker 1Okay, so what do you think of Voldemort coming back and all the deathmater?
Speaker 2in this scene. Yeah, that whole graveyard scene, did you like it?
Speaker 3I found the beginning of it a little confusing with what's the guy's pedigree?
Speaker 1Oh, okay.
Speaker 3Because if he's got him locked up in that statue and he's able to cut Harry, why doesn't he just kill Harry there?
Speaker 1Because, voldemort, there was orders. No one is to kill Harry, except for Voldemort.
Speaker 3Right, but then after Voldemort like manifests. Couldn't he have just done the same thing?
Speaker 2Yeah, but it's like all the James Bond movies. The villains always want to play with a hero. They always like it's their, it's always their demise. They're like let me tell you my whole plan, Let you go and then you'll get away. Like. That's just how these things happen, Miguel, in Hollywood.
Speaker 4Let me monologue because you want to. He's finally back, yeah.
Speaker 2He's got things to say. It's been a long time.
Speaker 1He's been like a little like baby creature. He has legs and feet, but no nose.
Speaker 3I will say this movie also solidified the idea that Voldemort is a loser who thinks that his high school days were the best times of his life. He's got to get back to them to relive those glory days.
Speaker 1Yes, but he still can't defeat a teenager.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1That's the epitome of it.
Speaker 3And then everybody else. All the other teachers at Hogwarts are also just losers, thinking that high school was the greatest time of their life.
Speaker 1I mean all of his friends apparently too. Yeah, they're like if we started this club and we're never letting it go.
Speaker 3The kids, that come back to high school Just to walk around the halls? You think?
Speaker 4the professors of Hogwarts are losers.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 4No, you don't Not. Mcgonagall and Dumbledore.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 4No, I think Sproul.
Speaker 2I love Professor Sproul.
Speaker 1Well, not after you see the comments she made she was like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, any adult that still likes Harry Potter is dumb. Yeah, she was like people headline articles. Like any adult that still watches Harry Potter is like stupid the actress that plays Professor Sproul she's the one, the herbology professor like the.
Speaker 4I forget the actress's name, but you probably know her because she's a British actress who's in a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3Yeah, emma Thompson, no no.
Speaker 1No, she's divination.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1She's the one with the plants.
Speaker 4I don't know when they're pulling the screaming.
Speaker 2I don't think the professors are losers.
Speaker 4I think they're dedicating their lives. No, they were all good actors To protect the students because if it weren't for them, like clearly the reasoning world doesn't really prioritize the safety of the children.
Speaker 1Yeah, why are you losing yourself? In the worst, these kids would all be dead. Well, I say 50-50 because clearly, there's no consequence, except for Harry.
Speaker 4Harry, it's like I don't know. His name came out of the goblet, so we just got to see what this is about and the conicals are like great.
Speaker 1She's like yeah. She's like do nothing. And then Snape's like let's just let it play out. She's like do nothing. And he's like double, double, double. He's like yep, do nothing.
Harry Potter Memes and Movie Critique
Speaker 2Speaking of the professors, one of the biggest things that came out of this movie that people thought was so funny is that when Harry's name pops up and Dumbledore, like in the Goblet of Fire, and then what are you doing? In case some people could hear they can hear my mic crazy, they're going to hear this wire all over the place. Is it in the book? After his name is called, like it says very plainly in the book, dumbledore calmly talks to Harry about putting his name in the Goblet of Fire and then this movie runs up to him like, throws him into a wall. He's screaming in his face Did you put your name in the Goblet of Fire? And there are so many memes of the book next to this scene and the actor who I don't know, is named.
Speaker 1It plays him.
Speaker 2He was so mad about it. They did a 20-year reunion for all the actors and actresses from Harry Potter and he wouldn't be a part of it because he was still so mad that people thought that was so funny. I didn't know that was why. That's why I read anyways, I'll have to verify that's correct, but he wasn't in the HBO special. I don't know why he's so mad about it. I think it's hilarious, but I guess he made that change on his own because he thought it was appropriate.
Speaker 3What a little salty loser I know.
Speaker 2It was so funny. It's so funny. Harry, did you put your name in the Goblet of Fire?
Speaker 4He's just so funny and I think because he feels it makes him look like he has the headmaster of the school that's now put up too, it's like, and he's the one who drew the age line right. He might be feeling like no one can blame me for this, so what'd you do?
Speaker 2You're so funny, Chanel. Thank you for looking out for me. It's like that was clear, but yeah, he won't be a part of it. I'm trying to think what else? What do you have on your notes, miguel?
Speaker 3Two of the parts that I enjoyed the most if I'm interpreting myself being one of these characters in the movie is the introduction of Rita Skeeter.
Speaker 1I was going to say. What did you think? That was Rita Skeeter. Yeah, I thought if Everyone loves a rebel Harry.
Speaker 3If I got locked in a closet, a room closet, with Rita Skeeter and we were talking softly, I would have.
Speaker 2Are you serious right now? That's not what I thought you were talking about. No you think she's attractive like that?
Speaker 3If I'm Harry in that scene, yeah, she is so slimy.
Speaker 2I'm sure that actress is very attractive outside of this costume and makeup, but I'm finding it hard to believe that you find her in that way attractive with her hair and stuff like that.
Speaker 3And her voice and her approach. Yeah, it was. But she's like, if I'm a, teenage boy, it would do it for me.
Speaker 1But also do you understand the concept of how she is like the media to manipulate Harry and all of the? I mean she's like writing about Hermione and Harry being together and clearly they weren't, and she just is Miguel's here for it Looking at her face. A liar, she's a liar you don't even cook.
Speaker 2They don't get into it in the movie. But also, what I like about Rita Skeeter is that they bring out kind of this dark side of Hermione though, because I don't remember if they say in the movie you find out in the book she can turn into a cockroach. That's how she's getting all of her information. She's an amegas too, and Hermione finds out locks her in a jar for weeks, won't let her out, like in the book. It's crazy, because Hermione is so mad about all this stuff that she's written about her.
Speaker 1She's pretty wise about everybody about Harry, about Hermione, about Crom, about everyone.
Speaker 4She's the TMZ in the Wizarding World and the teenage love triangles yes, are making the Wizarding Paper.
Speaker 2And then even Molly Weasley is mean to Hermione because of it.
Speaker 3It's this whole other subplot, because she makes the tabloid.
Speaker 2Yeah, so Molly won't send Hermione any treats or gifts, like she usually does, because she's mad at Hermione, because Molly reads all of Rita Skeeter's stuff. So Hermione literally locks this woman up in a jar for weeks. It's so bad. It's so funny.
Speaker 1I wish it was in the movie, Like not what integrity. Journalism is just the complete opposite.
Speaker 2Miguel just wants to be in a closet with her. He doesn't care about what she's writing. Look at him.
Speaker 3Yeah, attraction does not know integrity, especially by this guy.
Speaker 1He's such a guy. Ok, what's the other thing?
Speaker 3Because I wanted to ask you about that as well the dancing lesson where Harry gets to dance with McGonagall.
Speaker 4Yeah, you would have loved that.
Speaker 3Yeah, you would have needed some room for the wizarding spirit there.
Speaker 2With McGonagall.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2I can't with McGonagall. Oh, I'm aware Me and Skyler like to give him a hard time about it all the time.
Speaker 3It's not a hard time. He likes mature women.
Speaker 1Oh my god.
Speaker 4There's no age limit, mcgonagall, you'd think maybe that would be an age limit.
Speaker 3Maggie Smith is beautiful.
Speaker 2It's good to know that there are men who find older women attractive, though, because it's important they are attractive, and when I'm an older woman like that, I hope younger guys find me attractive too. So oh my god, that's hilarious.
Speaker 3There's a Miguel out there for everyone.
Speaker 2Yeah, exactly. Oh, my god.
Speaker 4And yet you date me.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah All right, that is hilarious. Keep asking your questions.
Speaker 1Let me look at my notes, I guess. What did you think about the quote unquote battle with Voldemort? I mean, he's back.
Speaker 3I like Ray Fiennes at his performance. I think that it feels very Shakespearean in its delivery and he takes it seriously, even though it's quite silly. And that was nice. But the wand's stuff didn't really do anything for me.
Speaker 2Even with our pout holding it like a gun.
Speaker 3Yeah, my god, like the ropey magic, just colliding with each other and making a bubble of spirits and fast forward that.
Speaker 2Are you?
Speaker 1serious. But the point of that is that their wands are like sister wands, so they can't harm, hurt each other. So instead, so they like repel, essentially.
Speaker 4You remember when Harry first got his wand and he said this one has a brother. Yeah, they both have the same core, and so that creates a little magic loop hole that the world doesn't typically see, because they don't they, at their core, don't really want to fight each other.
Speaker 1So that's why it creates that little loop, and so you're able to see the last people that Dumbledore killed. Well, the more Sorry, the little more killed, which happened to be Harry's family, because he's been kind of this decimated creature for whatever it's 14 years.
Speaker 3But so if that's the case, then it is the case. Yeah if that's the case, then Harry and Voldemort can never battle each other and win.
Speaker 1Yes, keep that thought going into the next movie.
Speaker 4You're right. You're correct, yes.
Speaker 2And so then he hates that, look it his face.
Speaker 3What is the conclusion of that? Well, you'll have to mind that.
Speaker 2What would you do?
Speaker 1Yes, Voldemort goes on a mission now.
Speaker 3That's silly.
Speaker 1No, that's why there's three more books yeah.
Speaker 3I got nothing else on that, I just find that annoying. They also didn't lay any of that logic anywhere, as I know because it's the movie as much exposition is. They put in every scene. They couldn't tell you that piece.
Speaker 4Well, they don't know. I mean that's new Harry. I mean Dumbledore talks about it at the end, doesn't he?
Speaker 3Right In the book he does, but there's so much telegraphing of like all of these loopholes and little undermining that everybody's doing, but they can't lay any information about that.
Speaker 2The script didn't call for it, not before.
Speaker 1They didn't know that until right now, until he just sees that. And I mean, like he said, when he first gets his wand he kind of knows that and you'll see kind of in this, in the next movie, you know it happens again.
Speaker 3But there's no precedence for it in all of the Wizarding World. No, that's never happened before.
Speaker 1I don't think other Wizards are trying to kill each other. That just happened to have the same.
Speaker 4Right Priori and Kentatum, that's what it's called right and Dumbledore explains that concept after the fact, but he didn't. Well, nobody knew that Harry was gonna encounter Voldemort. Two have set that up and no one really knew that that's what was gonna happen.
Speaker 2Miguel's not buying it. He don't like it.
Speaker 3No, okay, well, it'll come up again, as much of a know-it-all as Hermione is, she couldn't know that piece either.
Speaker 2It's literally never happened before. You're putting so much pressure on Hermione. She's got enough trying to keep these idiots alive.
Speaker 1Okay, yeah, she's got the Wizarding World on her shoulders right now, not in this movie.
Speaker 2In the book.
Speaker 3Yeah, in the book, but not in the movie, and at 14. She's just whining in the movie.
Speaker 4To have forecast, like, okay, if Voldemort is to somehow come back and take human form, which at this point they don't. They, I mean, I guess they understand its possibility, but they don't know how it's gonna happen. Yeah, because they, and then you happen to be battling him, yeah, so, like I don't know, they're just like they're trying to get him to survive the tasks.
Speaker 1That's what she's focused on. How were they supposed to know that that cup was a freaking Porky Porky to take him to Voldemort and that um Pettigrew, who had ran away in the last book, would be right there ready to? Take off his arm and sacrifice himself, and Voldemort was coming back. All of these events just happened to line up. Granted, stupid um Trilani did predict it. I'm just gonna say yeah, I think yeah, you know your your uh servant would return, or whatever but Any blame on withholding knowledge should be placed on Dumbledore.
Speaker 2Yes, Not Hermione. That's what I'll say, yeah.
Speaker 4Okay.
Speaker 2Very true, so you can blame him, not Hermione.
Speaker 3Yeah, Dumbledore.
Speaker 1Very true, very true. I mean, I caught it kind of when we were talking about that scene with um Snape and McGonigal and Dumbledore, but she was like you're just gonna like offer him up as Bate in this tournament, and it's kind of like a reference to like later on. But it's like, yeah, like let's let it play out, let's offer Harry up as Bate, because that's what that's the theme of this whole series is. I don't know what's gonna happen. I have limited information, I have just enough, but how?
Speaker 4is this gonna play out?
Speaker 1I don't I don't have all the pieces in in this chess game and I need to. I need to see how it's gonna play out, and that's kind of what Dumbledore does. He's the master mastermind.
Speaker 3And so he thinks that, since this kid defied death once, that maybe he's a little more resilient to all of this.
Speaker 4At this point, he's defied death every single year.
Speaker 3He's been pretty cool.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4That's true, so yeah.
Speaker 3So he's got to up the ante.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3How much can they get away with now?
Speaker 1Yeah, that's true. Okay, speaking of, I wanted to ask you what did you think of the? Um? Unforgivable, what was?
Speaker 2that, oh yeah.
Speaker 1Uh, with the spider scene, moody, with Unforgivable. So the killing curse, the, the torture curse, and then the um Imperius, like the controlling curse.
Speaker 3That's another one of those where I thought, oh, you don't need it, let's skip over that.
Speaker 1No, you do need it. What do you mean? That's very good background knowledge for for things in the future. How about that? You don't think you need it now? Okay, how about that? Does that make sense?
Speaker 3Sure, yeah, I'll buy it, but it doesn't.
Speaker 1For someone who's complaining about not having information Is it important later? Yeah, I mean think about with um, with the cruciatus curse that's going to come in to play for Hermione slash, we don't really get into Neville, but yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, they totally. Just Neville has such an incredible backstory and they never get into it in the movies.
Speaker 1I mean they slightly referenced it in that, you know, with Neville standing there, but and then the Imperius curse with Hermione and Bellatrix later on.
Speaker 3Um, so I guess those are two things you're like what is this curse that she's using?
Speaker 1Um, and then I mean killing curse. Everybody's throwing it around. You're like what's this great curse firing around?
Speaker 3Right, but you're also all three of you are approaching it from the perspective of having the full knowledge of everything and also having read the books and then watching the movies. Oh yeah, I'm just watching these movies as movies.
Speaker 2Yeah, and as a movie scene.
Speaker 3It seems useless.
Speaker 2Well, what seemed important as a good scene in this movie? What was needed?
Speaker 3Nothing. This whole movie is not needed.
Speaker 1You can't even say that. And then when you ask for stuff you're like well, why wouldn't they tell us about this bubble?
Speaker 4I think that scene's also, like each movie, has to have a defense against the dark arts classroom scene.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 4And that's like the only classroom scene in this one, and it gets you to understand what this defense against the dark arts professor is about.
Speaker 3Right, but like so in Ask a Band, that class is used in that movie, like what they, what they learned from that class is applied in that movie.
Speaker 4Prisoner of Aspone.
Speaker 3Yeah, oh right, right, because they learn about Boggards, and Right so it seems from a novice's perspective, it seems like in the previous movies that whatever they set up they're going to use. And in this movie, just it seems like it's full of bloat.
Speaker 4Okay, I think, I think.
Speaker 3Especially since it was the version with the deleted scenes. It was two hours and 48 minutes. There was a lot that didn't need to be there.
Speaker 1I'm sure, I'm sure, but I'm also, that's long.
Speaker 3Yes, I know.
Speaker 4I think, yeah, we got to make sure we don't watch the deleted scene one next time, I know because it was probably like I mean, those were deleted for a reason they're not necessary, right right right, that's a true fan.
Speaker 1He's not. Yeah, he's not. I feel like I can't remember what Barty Crouch did to Junior did to get convicted, or whatever, but I feel like the reason I thought they were part of the Long Bottoms that they were the group of the people that went to the Long Bottoms house. That's what I was. It was.
Speaker 2Bell Tricks him, and they mentioned two other people. There's four death eaters that did that.
Speaker 1Okay, so that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 2I think it's because he used the crucial curse on the Long, bottoms on the Long, bottoms On the Long.
Speaker 1Bottoms, and he might have also done some in periods of people too. So I think that's part of his backstory is because he was so good at unformulables.
Speaker 4And he's such an evil maniac that of course he'd want to rub that in the face of their child and make him relive that trauma.
Speaker 1Yes, so it was Neville that he called up.
Speaker 2But you don't have that information if you don't read the books.
Speaker 1So so it also is like it makes sense when you're like oh, what they teach in the class is like what comes up in the movies.
Speaker 4But it's like yeah, and they should have put that in the movie. And there's that parallel. It's personal for a lot of kids in that room, where Harry's parents were both killed by the killing curse, neville's parents both tortured by the torture curse, and then how many Slytherins in there whose parents probably said, well, I was only a death theater because I was under the.
Speaker 2Imperialist curse.
Speaker 4So it's like, yeah, it's world building. Maybe it's not necessary, but it's important.
Speaker 3I'm sure it's important. I'm sure it'll come up later.
Speaker 1I'm sure.
Speaker 3I think from the beginning of the movie I thought that it seemed like they changed the visual tone again. So the first two movies were one.
Speaker 1It was a different director, yeah.
Speaker 3Visual tone and score seemed very distinct from the third movie, which seemed very distinct from this movie as well, and I thought this movie seemed like they were just taking everything from the Lord of the Rings, from the music cues and the sweeping vistas in these larger battle scenes, and placing it into this world.
Speaker 2I've never seen Lord of the Rings, so wow, I know, I know I need to read the books. I know I don't know about that you don't think.
Speaker 4so I tried to read them. I read the Hobbit really like that and I think I made like two and a half books One and a half books into Lord of the.
Speaker 2Rings. I tried to watch the Hobbit and went to movie theaters when it came out and fell asleep. It's the only movie. It's the only time I've ever fallen asleep in a movie theater was the Hobbit. I was like I can't do this. Anyways, I think it changes again. Is it the same cinematographer after?
Speaker 1this yeah, from fourth on it's the same guy, same director, because I know for sure the David.
Speaker 2Yates, because I know for sure, like the same producer, the last three movies, I feel like the tone is the same, like it flows better.
Speaker 1He's from fourth all the way to the eighth, it's David Yates Interesting, which is he's fine, but he's no thought so clear.
Speaker 4And this was his first one. I don't know that I hear people say this is their favorite movie very often.
Speaker 2No, and this book was. I felt like this book was excellent and it gives so much information into the world of Harry Potter. And then the book or the movie which is it was okay, Like you don't. I don't think they did enough with like floor, which I'm probably not saying her name right. She's such a big character and she's a big character later and I don't think they really laid a good foundation for her character in this book. She's supposed to be a badass and Bo Batten is not just a female school, it's women and it's girls and boys. So like I think it's even a bigger deal that she's picked as the tri-wizard champion of her school, because she's obviously not because they're just women, but she beat out men too for this. Like she's supposed to be a really big deal and I don't think you really get that vibe from her in the movie that she's a big deal.
Speaker 3No, it just seems like a boy-girl girl school. Yeah, Durham.
Speaker 2String is co-ed too, so I don't know why they did that in this movie, made it seem like it was an all-boy school and an all-girl school, because that's not the case. Strange.
Speaker 4And not only that, but like a hyper masculine and a hyper feminine, yeah, feminine. And then both of those. But Crom and Floor barely say anything.
Speaker 2Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4Yeah, they barely have dialogue.
Speaker 2They're just a bigger deal. In the books you like their characters more, you think.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, but I mean it was fine, like I didn't like as far as like the direction and stuff, like I wouldn't say they were like my favorites or anything.
Speaker 3One scene I really liked in this movie was Serious showing up in the fire Mm-hmm. That was a really interesting scene. I also felt very grounded and it seemed like it had an appropriate use of storytelling in a not obvious way.
Speaker 1It was nice to have them back.
Speaker 3And it's one thing I haven't seen before somebody talking with their face in the embers.
Speaker 2That's a, you liked it.
Speaker 3Yeah, it was visually very interesting.
Speaker 2And that is important too, because that plays into things later in the series too, because that's part of the Flu Network, like this communication they're doing, and that's also not. You don't get that really in this in the movies much, but it only happens maybe a couple times.
Speaker 1Yeah, but yeah, yeah, it's nice to have them come back.
Speaker 3I really liked Hagrid's horniness for Maxine.
Speaker 2Oh, speaking of romance, so funny. Yeah, he's a girl for you, yeah.
Speaker 3And how he styled. When he styled his hair, the hairy rucksack on it's just like the three hairs up front and then everything else is the same.
Speaker 2Uh-huh.
Speaker 1He stabs that other professor because he's like so distracted with his fork.
Speaker 3What a man in love I love Hagrid. Does that romance come back?
Speaker 1I think like later in another movie or something, you see them together.
Speaker 2Because she's talked about in the books. I know after this because don't her and Hagrid? They go on a mission together, yeah. Later so yeah, I don't think it ever gets into like do they end up together?
Speaker 1but they're definitely doing things together later on the scene Like they talk to the giants or something like that yeah.
Speaker 4They're, like I don't know, diplomats, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2Yeah, what Different one. Also, a lot of this runs together with fan fiction, so I'm trying to remember what's actually canon and what's fan fiction. You know what I mean. Like what actually happened. What we wished happened, yeah.
Speaker 3There's a couple Hermione scenes that I thought were funny. The first one when she's talking about Crumb and how he's just he's a physical being or whatever. Yeah, that was very funny Because she recognized her auditory misstep, yeah. And then the other one at the very end of the movie, when she asks Harry if things are going to change, and Harry puts his hand on her shoulder and it looks like he's going to console her and he goes yes, just like yeah, obviously. Yeah of course. What is that? What kind of stupid question is that?
Speaker 2Also, this isn't a big deal, but speaking of Hermione, because this is the big scene where she comes down in the staircase in this beautiful dress and it's her moment. Emma Watson is such a beautiful person In the book it's a bigger deal because she gets jinks and her teeth get huge and then when they fix it she makes them smaller to look more normal. So it's a bigger deal in the book when she comes down the stairs because she looks drastically different, whereas Emma Watson is just a very attractive person. So she's attractive in all the movies and I feel like she comes down the stairs and it's just her still being attractive, but in a dress. But in the book it's a much bigger deal because she has normal sized teeth, her hair's done, yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3So a question when Cedric tells Harry to take the egg put under water, they go to that bath. Is that a boy's bath? Is that a co-ed bath?
Speaker 1Co-ed it's a co-ed bath for the prefix.
Speaker 3What's the prefix?
Speaker 4It's like a class president, yeah, like a head. Well, there's head boy, head girl, and then there's prefix.
Speaker 1So they're kind of like Does each grade get one?
Speaker 4Yeah, okay, or I forget.
Speaker 1You have to be a head boy, head girl is like the 70 years and then prefix are like the fifth and sixth years. Who are like in charge and they do like the professors pick them to be.
Speaker 4You remember when in the first movie in the first years, they get led to the dorm for the first time and shown around, and it was Percy, one of the Weasley brothers? He was the prefix, that was his job To give the tour of the school and, yeah, yeah, like, make sure to patrol the halls If the kids forget the passwords. You got to show up so they get that special privilege at the most beautiful bathroom.
Speaker 1I guess kind of like hot tub the helpers of the PAs, kind of like. You're not a PA like a head boy Like a T-boy, but like yeah, kind of You're like a little helper, I guess.
Speaker 3So they make it together. That's crazy, I don't know.
Speaker 2I guess I think you're supposed to use it one at a time, maybe.
Speaker 3Isn't that giant bath.
Speaker 2It's like the Roman baths, yeah, you know. Like the Turkish baths, yeah, you know. In the Hogwarts legacy game that's out, you get to see the prefix bathroom. It's the same thing. It's like a giant ass swimming pool.
Speaker 1Is that Coed?
Speaker 2Is that Coed? Oh, I beat it. Yeah, really, I love it. I'm playing as a Hufflepuff now with Danny.
Speaker 1Is that?
Speaker 2Coed. I mean there's boys and girls in it. I mean they go in there. They're not naked or anything, but they're hanging around in there. It's Coed, it's Coed.
Speaker 1I mean she murdles in there all the time.
Speaker 3Keeping on everybody.
Speaker 1Yeah, trying to get away those bubbles. Yeah, did you like Murdle's character?
Speaker 2in this.
Speaker 1I think she's always so funny in this movie Every time I was cracking out.
Speaker 3I thought that was funny. I have in my notes that she's messing with Harry in the jerk-off bath in front of the porno stained glass windows. Yeah, yeah. Porno stained glass, that mermaid, the mermaid, yeah, the sexy mermaid in the stained glass Lip and her hair yeah. If you're a teenage boy, I'll load her to bath like that it's gonna have. It's a little scene of stuff, yeah.
Speaker 1That's what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, what else do you have? I'm trying to pick what else. Okay, I guess. What did you think about everyone bullying Harry, is that?
Speaker 3It didn't seem out of place. It seemed in step with the rest of the story, Basically when you have done it when you have bullied Harry.
Speaker 1is that what you're saying?
Speaker 3Yeah, no, you've won I would have won one of those buttons yeah, he's such a liar, he's like slap that on. As a loser in high school, you've got to make sure that you're not the most loser in high school.
Speaker 2You're not a loser in high school, were you? You're gonna stay to Bobba.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2I find that hard to believe.
Speaker 3You just can't be the worst. You can be among the worst, you just can't be the worst. He's like I got a stale float.
Speaker 1Yeah, I can't have a war with one of those buttons. He's like give me one?
Speaker 3I'm slapped it on my chest. Oh, David Tennant, so whenin that trial, when they give out the visual cue of him licking his lips? He also made these strange kissy faces at his father, which I thought was an interesting choice. Did you notice that? No, you just make a little noise and then you go. Yeah, I got to watch that way. How strange. What does he do? I got to watch that way. Maybe he was just like I love you dad.
Speaker 2Maybe that was good, but then he couldn't help the tongue coming out, so it sounded like we were here.
Speaker 1Yeah, oh, my God, that's so funny. I'm trying to remember, because the first time we watched it, I was like I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I can't remember, because the first time we watched this I shared with you the band that performs at the Yule Ball.
Speaker 1Yeah, like the kid sister.
Speaker 4Yeah, but they're a real band. Yeah, thosewhat band are they from? I remember I told you and you were like, oh, that's kind of cool. I can't remember.
Speaker 2I don't remember, I'm trying to find them.
Speaker 4You look it up.
Speaker 1Yeah, because everyone was really excited. They said, like on the cast, because it was a real band or whatever.
Speaker 3That was all my notes I had on this. That was it.
Speaker 1Yeah, okay, I guess are you looking forward to the next.
Speaker 2No, no, stop Miguel.
Speaker 1Stop, stop it.
Speaker 3This is one of the most painful experiences I've ever had to go through. Oh.
Speaker 4Radiohead.
Speaker 3Radiohead. Yeah, that was the band at the ball.
Speaker 4The lead guy is from Radiohead and Paul go on. That's fun, that's great yeah, that did a good time.
Speaker 1Yeah, okay, was this better or worse than the past movies?
Speaker 3It's hard to say.
Speaker 2What's been your favorite movie so far?
Speaker 3Well, it's been so long.
Speaker 1We can do the wands. What's your wands? Oh yeah.
Speaker 2I'm making a note of this.
Speaker 3This is a tougher wand one.
Speaker 2That's what she said.
Speaker 1A tougher wand one.
Speaker 3I think this is one wand oh wow, now stop.
Speaker 2Are you serious?
Speaker 1You're getting harsher on your critics For me, yeah.
Speaker 3Because I'm getting deeper into this world that I don't enjoy so, as an adult, it's a one wand adult Miguel's one. But what about baby Miguel? What was the last one that I gave? You ask a man, I think was Three or two and a half.
Speaker 1Yeah, it was like two and a half, I wouldn't say.
Speaker 3I think this one was would also be, if I'm watching it all at that age, that I was the baby.
Speaker 4This feels scarier than the last one really, and you thought the last one would have been scary.
Speaker 3Yeah yeah because I was afraid of a lot of stuff as a kid. So I don't know if I would like this one very much either. So probably another two and a half.
Speaker 2Well, so these movies and books are supposed to the audience is targeted towards Harry's age group. Yeah, so it goes out your, your age should be going up with the movie that you're watching. So how old was he supposed to be in this movie? 14? So 14 year old Miguel, baby, 14 year old Miguel.
Speaker 3Oh, we're doing that. No, I wouldn't like this one either. I would have gave it a one as well.
Speaker 2Let's go back to baby.
Speaker 1What does baby Miguel?
Speaker 2think Two and a half.
Speaker 1Yeah, two and a half.
Speaker 4Oh, my god parentheses too scary if baby Miguel thinks it's scary, like every single one from here on out.
Speaker 2Yeah, you're about to be terrified, yeah.
Speaker 1Why a one, though you can't even do it? A two.
Speaker 3No, it's just not. It's not fun to watch.
Speaker 1I mean just like nothing. Nothing about the directing, nothing about the cinematography, nothing. No, you can't even just be lenient.
Speaker 4I have hope for the next one with him. I do too.
Speaker 3I wish that they had recast it, these kids.
Speaker 2What yeah, no.
Speaker 3Because once you see Robert Pattinson in the same scene as Daniel Radcliffe, you realize how bad of an actor Daniel Radcliffe is, because he can't hold a candle to Robert Pattinson.
Speaker 1Oh my god, I don't know, have you seen Twilight? If they had recast that one hey.
Speaker 4I love Twilight. People would have ride it.
Speaker 2Yeah, they could not like these kids were peak like celebrity at this time. Right people would have lost their minds if they would have recast this.
Speaker 3I get it, but For the sake of quality, this should have got rid of these kids.
Speaker 2Even her mom, even Emma Watson.
Speaker 3Yeah, she's, she's the worst. She might get better as she ages, because I think she's she's a fine actor now.
Speaker 1But I mean.
Speaker 4Because and they you know, continually are surrounded by some of the best actors right in the country, in their country.
Speaker 2It was in this the movie when Robert, when Daniel Radcliffe started drinking a lot, though like being drunk on set all the time- oh, that's fun I don't know. There was like I remember he doesn't interview. There's like one movie where he's like I wasn't sober at all, I don't even remember doing most of it, uh-huh, you had a real problem with it.
Speaker 3It's the first movie.
Speaker 4Yeah, this is the one where they I think I told you this they showed up to set Having gone the whole summer letting their hair grow out, so that the hair and dresser on set could do what they needed to do, and they just did it.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's why everyone's hair is out of control.
Speaker 4Every kids.
Speaker 3Yeah, my, when I was in elementary school my mom had a friend. Her name is Mary and she had the this big fish tank in her apartment. She drank a lot of diet Dr Pepper and she wore denim button downs every time I saw her and Throughout the years she was a single lady. She changed up her look every year and I remember Every one of these kids looks like my mom's friend mirror from my elementary years.
Speaker 2Yeah, Drinking those diet Dr Pepper. Yeah was she a smoker? No, it just seems like this character would be a smoker. This Jean Jacket diet Dr Puppers.
Speaker 3I just thought oh man, this is terrible hairstyles. Where have I seen these before?
Speaker 4It's unfortunate because it's such an awkward age already and she's shagglicious.
Speaker 2So any any final thoughts that you would like to share?
Speaker 3I'm told the fifth one gets better. That's what you've been saying about the next one for the past four movies.
Speaker 4Oh, the third one. It really did for you.
Speaker 3It did. Yeah, this is noticeable change.
Speaker 1I think the fifth one does get a little better, but honestly I think the sixth one is my second favorite, and the seventh one is my favorite.
Speaker 2Yeah, this, oh yeah.
Speaker 3Or Lindsay said once you get to the fifth one, it gets good.
Speaker 1It's just the content is a little better. The content's better, I don't know about like. I mean, since the director and like cinematographer, like the director for sure stays the same. He's also the producer, so I mean nothing's gonna change with that. Clearly the actors stay the same. We get more actors. I mean, yeah, helena Bonham Carter comes in, jason Isaacs comes back, david Thouless is back, gary oldman's back.
Speaker 4Hmm that's great more rayfines.
Speaker 1Yeah, I'm fine, judd, I think it was oh. Thompson's comes back.
Speaker 4Yeah, and what's her?
Speaker 2name. Oh yeah, who plays Dolores? Yeah, what's her name?
Speaker 1Oh, Imelda Stanton yeah, she's gone then.
Speaker 3She's from the crown never watched it.
Speaker 2Listen, I you know her face. You know that you haven't met this character yet. When you meet her it just. It's so funny because I on the native the HBO special for the reunion or something, I'm pretty sure this is. When I heard this interview she was saying the character that she ends up playing, this Dolores. In the book she's described as toad faced and like short stuff and her I guess her kids were like mom, you'd be perfect for this I'm offended.
Speaker 2This like they really describe her like unattractive and they're like you would be perfect as this role or something. So funny. Yeah, she was perfect, but oh funny, the next movie you'll see and she's this terrible professor that is wears all pink and it's just mean with every to everyone, so all of these characters in the next movie.
Speaker 3Yeah okay, yeah, yeah yeah, maybe that'll save something.
Speaker 2I think you'll really like the next one.
Speaker 3Maybe we'll get back up to one and a half.
Speaker 2This is.
Speaker 4You're the saving grace for you in these movies about children at school is the adults.
Speaker 1You like Alan Rickman's acting. Yeah, you like Snape.
Speaker 3Yeah, I think, I think that he's he's really fun to watch, yeah, yeah more ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, I.
Speaker 3Just wish he had more dialogue, yeah. He's a bigger role because right now he's just kind of like working on the side of all of the stories. Yeah, he doesn't really get to interact very much other than to be like a little asshole.
Speaker 4But now that Voldemort's back, that's, you know, mm-hmm, he's.
Speaker 3And this is when it turns to be like him being more of a Obvious protector of Harry.
Speaker 2We're not ruining it for you.
Speaker 3Okay.
Speaker 2You just have to figure it out, and I wouldn't say that. Yeah, I wouldn't say that, though.
Speaker 4Oh, he's right.
Speaker 3Isn't he kind of like an implicit protector of Harry? Right now he's doing it from the sides. He's making sure he doesn't right?
Speaker 4Yes, he is, but he's a professor.
Speaker 1So you know it's 50, 50. Yeah.
Speaker 3Dumbledore's like we got to kill this dude. He's like we gotta keep him alive.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 4I guess Snape is kind of like of the mind that he'll keep him alive but he'll make his life.
Speaker 2Yeah, right, not gonna be nice about it though, yeah, but grudgingly keeping him alive, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4I'll keep you alive for your mother.
Speaker 1All right, I think we can wrap it up, wrap it up, wrap it up. We need to do Stacy's line, stacy's night here, oh, yeah, oh, we didn't even tell anybody.
Speaker 2Oh, by the way, stacy's night. If you haven't noticed.
Speaker 1Stacy's not here, so Everyone read what you like. Thanks for listening. Bye.
