Ever found yourself drawn into the magnetic world of a fantasy series, only to become embroiled in the lives of its characters like they're old friends? That's exactly what happened to us with Sarah J. Maas's 'A Court of Thorns and Roses' series. As we jump into the fray, we're dishing out a feisty analysis of Feyre's journey and her complex relationships, comparing it to the fervor of Maas's 'Throne of Glass'. From our first impressions swayed by the book's buzz to our evolving perspectives on character likability, we're dissecting what makes these fictional beings tick and how they capture our hearts—or sometimes don't.
Get ready to explore part two of this amazing series Nerds!
Summary:
When nineteen-year-old huntress Feyre kills a wolf in the woods, a terrifying creature arrives to demand retribution. Dragged to a treacherous magical land she knows about only from legends, Feyre discovers that her captor is not truly a beast, but one of the lethal, immortal faeries who once ruled her world.
At least, he’s not a beast all the time.
As she adapts to her new home, her feelings for the faerie, Tamlin, transform from icy hostility into a fiery passion that burns through every lie she’s been told about the beautiful, dangerous world of the Fae. But something is not right in the faerie lands. An ancient, wicked shadow is growing, and Feyre must find a way to stop it, or doom Tamlin—and his world—forever.
From bestselling author Sarah J. Maas comes a seductive, breathtaking book that blends romance, adventure, and faerie lore into an unforgettable read.
*Summary from Goodreads*
***Produced by Jen Hardin***
Ever found yourself drawn into the magnetic world of a fantasy series, only to become embroiled in the lives of its characters like they're old friends? That's exactly what happened to us with Sarah J. Maas's 'A Court of Thorns and Roses' series. As we jump into the fray, we're dishing out a feisty analysis of Feyre's journey and her complex relationships, comparing it to the fervor of Maas's 'Throne of Glass'. From our first impressions swayed by the book's buzz to our evolving perspectives on character likability, we're dissecting what makes these fictional beings tick and how they capture our hearts—or sometimes don't.
Get ready to explore part two of this amazing series Nerds!
Summary:
When nineteen-year-old huntress Feyre kills a wolf in the woods, a terrifying creature arrives to demand retribution. Dragged to a treacherous magical land she knows about only from legends, Feyre discovers that her captor is not truly a beast, but one of the lethal, immortal faeries who once ruled her world.
At least, he’s not a beast all the time.
As she adapts to her new home, her feelings for the faerie, Tamlin, transform from icy hostility into a fiery passion that burns through every lie she’s been told about the beautiful, dangerous world of the Fae. But something is not right in the faerie lands. An ancient, wicked shadow is growing, and Feyre must find a way to stop it, or doom Tamlin—and his world—forever.
From bestselling author Sarah J. Maas comes a seductive, breathtaking book that blends romance, adventure, and faerie lore into an unforgettable read.
*Summary from Goodreads*
***Produced by Jen Hardin***
Like I said, you just shared a night of passion with him. Like it just shows some affection.
Speaker 2:Like I don't know, are we going to totally skip over the night of passion?
Speaker 3:by the way, Like no, we can talk about it. Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, we can talk about it. We always want to talk about it.
Speaker 1:We can talk about it.
Speaker 2:So I mean, what are your thoughts? Was the anticipation?
Speaker 3:What you, you know like yeah, I think they're built up 230 pages of nothing. I know of them like kissing. I mean, I think the scene of them kissing in that moment is amazing.
Speaker 1:Hi, I'm Chanel, Hi I'm Stacy, hey, nerds, this is Ashley and this is Fiction Fanatics. I was listening to our episode, our part, one episode yesterday, a couple days ago.
Speaker 2:Anyway, and.
Speaker 1:I know it's a sweet, anyway, I'll introduce you in a second, but anyways I was. I was listening to it and all of a sudden I got to a part where we were talking about Pharah capturing the surreal and what he said to her Get in the tea, yeah, the tea. And he was just like. He was like stay with the High Lord, he will protect you. And I like had to pause it and I was just like I like rewound. Is that the way? Yeah, rewound, rewind, wait is it?
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Rewound yeah, past, tense.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then I was like wait, he just said the High Lord, he didn't say stay with, like the High Lord of the Supreme Court, or he didn't say Tamlin, he just said the High Lord. And so I'm like that's very vague. And obviously Pharah assumed it was Tamlin. We all assumed it was Tamlin. Right, Like I mean she's in love with him, whatever, but like it could be my boy, Reese or it could be.
Speaker 1:I mean any of them truly. I mean we vaguely met all of them so I was like like fast, what is it? Binge texting Stacy? And was just like oh, my God, I have this epiphany. It doesn't have to be Tamlin anyway and she was like, yeah, you're really smart, good job.
Speaker 3:I just mean that I feel like you pick up on I don't know when I was reading it and I was like the same. I was just like, oh, it's definitely Tamlin. But I think she is the kind of writer who puts things vague on purpose, Like it's not an accident that something's vague in there. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because obviously it'll come up later in the kind of like what you were saying a few minutes ago. There's stuff in like the Throne of Glass series and I haven't read Crescent City. But yeah, it comes up later in this year on purpose.
Speaker 3:And I know this is our Akator episode and I actually loves when I do this, but I finished Empire Storm.
Speaker 1:Here we go. Throne of Glass.
Speaker 3:And I want to talk about it, no one has read it.
Speaker 1:Give me like a year, no, a year. I have a lot of other books to read, oh yeah, plus that's like the sixth book, or something.
Speaker 3:It was 900 pages. That's huge. I can't start any more series until I read the series that Ashley, our friend, suggested, because I started the Red Queen series and she's so mad that I didn't start the series that she bought me the first book for.
Speaker 1:Which series.
Speaker 3:The first book, I think, is called Fever. It's an older series that she loves.
Speaker 1:Oh gosh you guys.
Speaker 3:I have, like my TBRs out of control. Sorry, ashley.
Speaker 1:And the Red.
Speaker 3:Queen is like seven books or something and I'm halfway through the first one. Katie loves the Red.
Speaker 2:Queen. Our sister Katie loves it when I was rage driving here.
Speaker 3:I was listening to it, I was trying to calm me down. Did it work? No, it didn't work, okay.
Speaker 1:All right, before we get way off the topic, we have a special guest, my cousin Hannah.
Speaker 3:Welcome to the chaos.
Speaker 1:I am super excited you're on one because I love you and you're my bestie, slash cousin, favorite cousin, yes. But also because I feel like we talk about a lot of things, like movies and shows, but, like this is the first book that we really bonded over and talked about, because you were like I'm reading this series and I really love it and I obviously hadn't read it, and so once I started reading it and I was like texting you about it, it was just obviously like I said something that she would text me like oh, I just got to the part when you know whatever happened.
Speaker 1:So so I was like, yeah, I have to have you on this podcast because, yeah, you were just, you are and we're super into this series.
Speaker 2:I feel like okay, so I read the first one like over the summer, and then I read the second one literally like in November I think is when I finished the second one. So I haven't read them in a while.
Speaker 1:But they're also huge.
Speaker 3:They just get longer and longer yeah.
Speaker 2:When I got the third one, I was like holy shit, this thing is literally three of these.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then so I've had the third one just sitting on my dresser at home for like two months and I haven't started it. And then when you asked me to be on the podcast, I'm like I'm just going to wait because I feel like I feel like if I get into that, then I'm going to forget. That's fair, that's fair, yeah. So then yesterday I was like basically last night I reread the whole second half of the book, which is the best part, the best part.
Speaker 3:I mean that's how this was. A lot of her is like. The last hundred to hundred pages are just like everything it's like a real slow setup and then it's like yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:I know because I told you, like I told everyone, I hated the first half of this book. It was just so slow. But she knows I hate her, like everyone said. I swear every single person I talked to was like wait till the second half, wait till the second half, even just the last third of the book. Yes, and you all were right. I'm going to say you all were right because it was totally worth it. She set it up very well. It was.
Speaker 2:They got me in the first half, the second half, I feel like the first, like 200 pages even, are a little.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I literally especially you, because I feel like you, you like, were the first one that really were like like read this book. You got to read this book and I'm like I don't know how you even stuck through this book, I don't know how, because I feel like I don't know, like I don't know, I don't know how you, I don't know how you made it.
Speaker 3:Because you just wait, because everyone is like it's so good to just like power through it, and then you have to go.
Speaker 2:That was your bike. It's the same with some like series, like TV series and stuff like Game of Thrones.
Speaker 1:Yes, because we talk about Game of Thrones.
Speaker 2:I tried to watch it like three times and then everybody's like you just have to keep watching it and it wasn't until like season three. Three when I was like, oh OK, this is good, and I ended up finishing it.
Speaker 1:And I'm like.
Speaker 2:I just need to power through. Yeah, that's your motto. So far it's been worth it.
Speaker 3:I mean, a lot of series just does start that way. Because even the Red Queen I'm halfway through it now and now I feel like I'm in, that, I'm invested in it. Yeah, Like the first half of the book I was like I mean I guess I could take this or leave this story so far and I'm like, oh, I'm hooked. Well, that's throwing a glass. The first two books I was just like they're not bad, Like they were OK, but I wasn't rushing to read it. So it takes me like two or three months to read the first two books, like, listen to it. Then I read that 900 page book in three days. Listen, I have multiple people reading this book at work right now. Everybody's reading this now. Oh my gosh, you're funny.
Speaker 1:OK, let's get into it.
Speaker 3:I'm so plumb to talk about the second half. So we are covering the second half of a Court of Thorns and Roses by the Queen, Sarah J Mass, who was just. I was with Ashley at Barnes and Noble and like they have whole tables dedicated, to all of her tables take series and stuff. I'm just like she's made so much money. Everybody just loves Millionaire Her books, even her newest book, which seems to have gotten like lukewarm reviews I was on her Instagram it's still number one bestseller.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:It's killing it right now, anyways, but this is the series that started it all. Right, this was thrown at last. Was it before this? Yeah, you know that she started writing the first book of thrown a glass when she was like 16 years old, so that's insane.
Speaker 1:It was fan fiction, was it? Yeah, I didn't know that she started writing fan fiction.
Speaker 3:It was Lord of the Rings fan fiction. I could see that Not to real fast, not to bring this back to Twilight with fan fiction Always, but I meant to send it to you. Actually, I watched this TikTok video that was talking about writing isn't just having a good sentence structure, like yeah, that's important. It's like what's important is keeping a reader and intrigued and like interested in the book. And so somebody brought up Twilight like is it the best writing in the world? Absolutely, absolutely. Did it captivate millions of people? Do I still read that series? Yes, and I was like this is true, like, like, I love these books. It's not like it's like the fanciest language or anything in here, but like it keeps you so intrigued, it's like I think people forget that that's what's important about writing is keeping your yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just think people like to hate. I just like generally think, because I haven't read Crescent City so I can't say maybe it does suck, whatever people give it. These like really bad mixed reviews, but then I'm, I have a feeling that that's gonna be my favorite out of all of her three the Crescent City series.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why I don't want any spoilers.
Speaker 3:I mean, I have a feeling it will be, but I don't know this is just me just thinking out loud, but I'm just like she's super famous now, like it's a. I mean she was famous before with her books but like it's like very Like you know, they tried to make that a Hulu series. I heard might go to HBO, like all this stuff. So I feel like the more popular you are, yeah and.
Speaker 3:And if you have a vagina like, they will be like cater's gonna hate. They will be like this could be lukewarm. She misspelled there in the sentence, and who does that?
Speaker 2:you know what I mean. Who knows? Only women.
Speaker 3:Okay good Sorry. Yeah, we love it.
Speaker 1:Where are we starting?
Speaker 3:So part two, we're picking up at the summer party with we meet re-sand. Yeah, and you guys, I have my book. This time we're very proud.
Speaker 1:Chanel's tabs they all match her book cover, yeah they're so aesthetically pleasing the color the colors mean different things, so Oranges for Tamlin and then light oranges for fair and then purple is like major events or like a pink, sorry, dark pink, but where's your tab pollution?
Speaker 3:Where's?
Speaker 1:his tab. He doesn't have a tab, and neither does Reese. Neither does Reese because he came in he came in at the end so I was like sorry, I was living for Reese.
Speaker 3:I tell you.
Speaker 1:I should have had a tap, but it didn't match the color I didn't have a color.
Speaker 3:I guess I've decided after reading this that, like I don't like blondes, just Draco is everything else, yeah, I never liked blondes, dark haired man. I don't like blonde guys.
Speaker 1:They give me the. With wings with wings, they give me the.
Speaker 3:Men in general give me the egg. I don't know how I'm.
Speaker 1:You and I are going to be cracking up this one.
Speaker 2:I mean when I think about any guy I've ever dated or liked, or even celebrities. It's never a blonde, just Tom Felton dark hair, not me.
Speaker 3:I like a blonde to sign me up. Her husband's a redhead Besides.
Speaker 1:She said, she said.
Speaker 3:I want you to name another blonde you like, besides Tom Felton. That quarreling is no, oh did you watch the? The. Whittier hunger game the Whittier, love him, sign me up. But these people really have dark hair, the actual actor is Henry Cavill.
Speaker 3:I prefer him as a blonde. No, we don't, I do. When he looks like the Whittier, I cannot. Okay, so we're at the summer party and she meets for sand. Hold on, let me find my book. You got to say what he says, so there you are. Been looking for you, yes, so that's right. Full body chills for my toes all the way to my ears. I was too into this book to tab it like mine's not all compared to Chanel's. Okay, I did.
Speaker 1:Tabbing the shit.
Speaker 3:I bet you were. So there's like she's going to the summer party and she's by herself and these three fairies come up, these three male fairies, and like, automatically, what are you talking about? We already covered that. Yeah, we did this already. Am I on the wrong part? Hold on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to cut it out.
Speaker 3:Ashley, you can cut this part out. That's how I have part two starting weird.
Speaker 2:How did I do that? That's what you guys ended on right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that night, because it was just funny, because he was like you should probably stay in your room, you're going to die, and she was like I should probably go out to this party alone and see what's up.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah we should start with their first kiss.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, we ended with when he was the glamour.
Speaker 3:He was the glamour and that's yeah. All I could think was like what if she this is a very human thing to think she's just walking around thinking she's alone in this house and she, like picks her nose or something, and there's always fancy. She's like, let's go.
Speaker 1:And like she, literally like fart in a very space, or is that this very like?
Speaker 3:He's like these humans, these humans. So I'm getting the parties confused. So shoot, there's a summer party. This is when she's dancing and Tamlin's like playing this little guitar, which was really sweet. I'm trying to just be in the mindset of this book. I'm halfway through the second book, so I just feel like it's hard if you've read the second book and then you go back and talk about it. Just you feel some type of way about it. But anyways, it is really cool the way that it's described. It's this party and like she's drinking fairy wine and she's having a great time. He's playing like this little guitar thing and she's just like dancing all around and like the moonlight and they're having a great time. I want very one.
Speaker 2:Wait, what are you?
Speaker 3:talking about. There's the party, the party.
Speaker 1:I know, but like you are like a party. I know, but you're like skipping major parts.
Speaker 2:What I skip the part.
Speaker 3:She wants to talk about the kiss, ok?
Speaker 2:The first kiss. Do they kiss after?
Speaker 3:before the party I forget, I don't care about Tamlin and their kiss.
Speaker 1:No, but you're skipping the part where. So if people are the wrong way, sand comes, and that's after this, oh, ok.
Speaker 3:The notes, the summer party, and we're saying he attacks after the summer party. Ok, ok, ok, that's why I was confused. Ok, good, good, good, my notes aren't super clear.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to get my boy recent.
Speaker 3:I love your son, vested in the first book with him.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's coming, chanel, ok.
Speaker 3:We got to have the sweet moment with Tamlin and, yes, they're all like in each other.
Speaker 1:Yes, and they're like in the the, the, the, the honey.
Speaker 3:I remember my first boyfriend.
Speaker 1:Oh I remember Stacy's first Shut up, keep going.
Speaker 3:So yeah, they have this like sweet moment at this whatever party, summer party, dance party.
Speaker 3:Ok, I remember my first boyfriend. I remember my first boyfriend. I remember my first boyfriend. I remember my first boyfriend, summer party, summer party, dancing. And then the next morning Pretty sure it's exactly the next morning it's like to me this is like when the book really takes off because, like shit kind of hits the fan. Technically, brissanne just like comes strolling in and everybody's freaking out. They try to glamor or they like put her behind a curtain, they hide her behind these fucking idiots.
Speaker 2:Well, no shoot. It was a glamor, it was, but they put her behind the curtain To double it up.
Speaker 3:And then Lucian, I think, is standing in front of her or something Like. They're all these shields to try to. These things are like these.
Speaker 1:He's like pretending to look out the the into the gardens. I'm just looking into the garden. It's my the curtain.
Speaker 3:Like he straight up didn't see her at the other party. You know what I mean. So like he comes in and he's like there, he's like why is he there originally? Sorry, it's all running together. I'm trying to remember the main reason that he came to the house in the first place.
Speaker 1:He doesn't really say I think he's just doing like a check in for just to fuck with him.
Speaker 3:And then I mean, you really think that he's going to leave without noticing? Yeah, vera. And then obviously he does. He's like oh, by the way, I know she's you're trying to like glamor, she gets so mad he notices there's a third plate, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:A third breakfast plate. And this is the first time we get to see him kind of use his powers to, because he enters her mind and, like, goes through all of her memories instantly to see who she is, and he's like who, like asking what her name is and stuff, and she, I will say this Faris smart enough to give another name when he asks like something, but a real name though. Yeah, she's just make something up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but like think about how scary that is. Yeah, she was terrified.
Speaker 3:So she gives a name from this girl in her village that she doesn't really know super well. It's like Claire Bolton or something Better, or something, yeah, something like that. And I only know because I recently watched a Tiktok and it's like Reese Ian's face when he realizes the name Faragame is a real person. It's like shit, shit, she didn't make it up Terrible. It's so funny, so like he ends up leaving after that. What big parts am I missing from this? I think that's kind of he gets the name. He's like pissed.
Speaker 2:Well, remember Tamlin's like begging him not to tell him, or anything.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and it's like in front of him.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Basically yeah.
Speaker 3:And he does. Yeah, and so did Lucian.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure. Both of them did yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, tamlin just bugs me. I need to be in the mindset of just this book. You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean Honestly. I feel like when I reread the second half yesterday, I feel like I didn't hate him.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:Like I feel like I got into it, like the first time I read him.
Speaker 3:You like understood where he's coming from and stuff. So I agree, I think when I reread this and because I definitely sped through the second book, like, and then you speak through the rest of it and then you know everyone says about certain characters I when I reread this and I was like okay, like she's really good at writing complex characters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3:Because I saw, I knew something on TikTok but I saw another TikTok and it was like a fan artist of him and it's like, oh, people saying they want complex characters but then they don't like this character or whatever.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's fair, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Because a lot of people don't like Kale and Thornton Glass. Just saying you know I know, Don't ruin it. I heard what I love, but I love Kale, I know.
Speaker 1:I also see people who are like, like you said, they are like well, he's complex, you know.
Speaker 3:I can't wait till you get to where I am, because I'm getting. You'll like it. Yeah, okay, sorry.
Speaker 1:But I also know, I know I've also heard that there's Table and Hate, and I know that there, like I heard that before I even sorry, my, I had Arm Day, arm workout day, my arm my arm, my arm. My arm, my arm, my arm, my arm, my arm. It worked out once One time oh really, okay, no, but it's the same thing where it's like, yeah, there's just, it's like any person, there's multiple sides to a person. Yeah, not everyone's all good, not everyone's all bad, and so, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so this whole chaotic thing happens. It's really not that long, like it seems like it's a long time, but I bet it's less than an hour. This whole interaction happens. He leaves and like Tamlin and rightfully so like freaks out automatically. He's like you need to go back home. Well, I think he thinks about it for a little bit, but then he's like you need to go back home. They have this whole she's that night. He doesn't feel safe with her there because he feels like Amorenta is good enough that she's there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, like obviously he doesn't trust Rhysand, yeah, so anyway.
Speaker 3:He wants her to go home as soon as possible, but enough time for them to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:He leaves time for that, and that is my kind of man, so this is so he's wanting her to go home, but I mean it is actually really sweet because you are rooting for them at this point and because everything is so intense, like they're pretty much like showing how much they actually care for each other.
Speaker 1:Okay, this was just weird. Like so before, obviously, like you said, they have sex. And then, because he's like I'm sick thinking about her, you know having you, hurting you, whatever, and then, while he's sending her away on this carriage, he's like I love you, like they've just had this passionate night together and morning together, and then she's like such a bitch, she's like doesn't even say anything Bye.
Speaker 2:And like you know, I think she's just.
Speaker 3:A lot has happened in a short amount of time.
Speaker 1:This is what she says. He's like I love you. He smiled at me one more time. I should say I should say those words, but they got stuck in my throat because, because of what he had to face, because it might not, because he might not find me again despite his promise, because beneath it all, he was an immortal and I would grow old and die Bitch, okay, like why the plot called for it, chanel.
Speaker 1:I think I'm other reasons later on or whatever. Really, it's because of like, if she would have said it would have ruined the whole plot. But it's like if you love this guy, you like I said you just shared a night of passion with him. Like it just shows some affection, are we?
Speaker 2:going to totally skip over the night of passion by the way.
Speaker 3:No, we can talk about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, we can talk about it.
Speaker 3:We always want to talk about it.
Speaker 1:We can talk about it.
Speaker 2:I mean, what are your thoughts? Was the anticipation?
Speaker 3:I think, what you you know like yeah, I think I build up 230 pages of nothing. I know of them like kissing, and I mean I think the scene of them kissing in that pond was really sweet, yeah. But I will say, like you said, it's very slow building like the tension and everything. Yeah, yeah, I mean ten months. It was like he'd be a decent lay, I feel like he launched a beast freed of its tether.
Speaker 1:I like it.
Speaker 2:I mean, I like to have how she she's a great.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I like how she wrote it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a lot of metaphors.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I feel I will say and you'll see it to everyone, will see it with the like her spice writing, it just like gets better as she writes. Like the last book she writes, the scenes in it are great. I just feel like, maybe because when we talked to Kate Goldbeck about this too, and a few episodes ago about her book, with like the spice in her book, how her editor was like, oh, we should take some out. And now I just feel like it's more like oh, people want this, like we should you know, we should put this in here.
Speaker 3:So I think in my head I'm like, oh, maybe they were like keep it more vague, or like the metaphors and stuff. But then when you read her last book in the series that's out Silver Flames, it's just like she is a beast that has been untethered, like writing it is.
Speaker 1:It's it's a lot more graphic.
Speaker 2:A little bit, yeah, I think it's like in the second book. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3:I'm almost there. I'm almost there in the second book.
Speaker 2:I also still takes like oh yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm like, I'm like a whole book. I think I'm I'm more than I know. I agree, you're right.
Speaker 2:Isn't it like chapter 64 or something? 55, yeah, yeah, because I was worth it, yeah 40 or something.
Speaker 3:And I'm halfway through the book and I mean she's great at writing tension, yeah, and like the just the longing before it. But I'm like what are we getting here? What's happening? No, you're right. Even from this book to the second one, it's like pretty different, like yeah, I think so because there's a lot of hurt.
Speaker 3:There are some very, very sprinkled in like because I do feel thrown at blasts is more young adult in the beginning until the end. Even the spice in that is like more metaphoric and stuff like a Empire Storms had a pretty had to pretty good, like smut scenes in it, but they were still very like you said, like beast untethered, like metaphoric, versus like I was going to his penis. I was actually thinking the way now that you just said that this book, besides the end of the book it almost reads young adult until it gets to this part with under the mountain and stuff, and then it's definitely more of an adult book, I feel like.
Speaker 3:But up until that point for the most part this could have been like a young yeah which isn't a bad thing I like no, it's not bad, but that's how I feel, like thrown at glasses, like I feel like the first two or three books could have definitely been considered young adult, which I think they marketed it as a young adult in the beginning. I forget I read something about that and then they switched it like halfway through the series.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah they were like they wanted more romantic.
Speaker 3:So after that night of passion and she's mean it doesn't say I love you back, she's shipped back off to the humans and again it's the same thing. She's like on the carriage right there and she's like unconscious for most of the ride again. And also when I was reading this book I was like she's going home. I'm like I'm finally invested in the spring court. What's?
Speaker 1:going on, and now she's going home.
Speaker 3:But it was nice because she goes home but you could see her sisters again. Yeah, and I know, I know she doesn't like it. She does a good job of writing characters that you just completely disdain in the beginning, like I was telling. Well, I think I said it before she does a good job of like, just putting their like flaws and worse characteristics, like the first thing you see when you breathe, and it's just like but I kind of mentioned it before you also, especially with Nesta.
Speaker 1:At this point you see a change of heart with her. Yeah, where she didn't I'm sure you were going to mention this she wasn't fully glamored or the glamor kind of like.
Speaker 3:She's so strong.
Speaker 1:Came away. Her mind is so strong.
Speaker 3:Well, I forget what part it says in the book. This isn't a huge deal, but she actually went looking for. Yeah, for like two days alone went to go find her. Yes, While Lay did nothing and people just love her she didn't do anything. She doesn't do nothing, so I will say I am so confused Again, I'm not that far in the second book, but even from just this book, the hate that Nesta gets over Elaine I'm like. At least I don't know, I feel like Elaine is almost worse because she's so complacent.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Whereas I think Nesta is just at that. Time is more, I don't want to say even addictive, but she's just so mad about the situation. But yeah, elaine's just like trullo-la. At least Nesta went out there trying to find Right, right.
Speaker 2:I don't know, Elaine's just boring to me I get you'll get more In a sense.
Speaker 3:Personally to me. I feel like when you're the third one, you'll get more annoyed with her. I just feel like people constantly forgive the things that she does, and then they're like Nesta's such a bitch and I'm like are we ready to say book, or I mean Nesta is a bitch, but she's real. Yeah, she's real. So because so Pharah gets back home and home is new, because it's like this mansion, so like this, is when we finally get to see what Tamlin has actually done for her family which is incredible.
Speaker 1:I respect that I do too.
Speaker 3:He really stayed true to his word, took care of her family Like their high society again. Their house is beautiful, they have servants and then again, like you get to. I just love this. I love that, nesta. When Pharah talks to Nesta, you realize that the glamour didn't work on her and that she actually Didn't. She keep a piece of like the debris from, like the kitchen table, yeah, which had her painting on it, to remind herself that like had what had happened. I just think it's a little sprinkle of how strong of a character she is and will be later. I'm trying to think is their dad actually here at this part?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah he's still there, he's not traveling.
Speaker 1:I mean, he's like kind of like Elaine, where he's like trying to yeah, nothing happened. Complacent, Complacent, yeah. Complacent is a good word Also, just like, yeah, let's go back to how we were, Like, let's forget that we just lived. For what was it?
Speaker 2:seven years in poverty and, yeah, starving and starving and yeah, doesn't Nesta bring that up, how she's kind of like annoyed with everyone else in the town.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm Because.
Speaker 2:Because now that they have money, they're all pretending like they like them.
Speaker 3:Yeah and like they want to hang out with them and come to their parties and their house and everything's fine now, even though the town was going to let them starve to death Right, right, like legitimately, was going to let them starve to death.
Speaker 1:Yes, and so, yeah, yeah, it's just like again, it also goes back to Nesta's character where she's, like, you know, just very strong willed and you know, since that glamour didn't take, she's like, no, what's going on? And this is where Feyre tells her everything that happened, yeah, about you know, the fairy world, tamlin, like what he's done to them and that's something bad is happening. And so Feyre kind of gives her a warning, like if you see something like ominous happening, like coming over the wall, you pack up, get dad, get Elaine, and like don't look back. You know what I mean, mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:So yeah, Because there's a lot of foreboding. Is that the word?
Speaker 1:Yeah, like a war is going to take something. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And they literally live like two days journey from the fairy world. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So very close. So at least that makes like Feyre feel better, because she's like you know, because she's like I got to go back and you know she like makes her way back to the wall to like.
Speaker 2:Well, Nesta kind of tells her to go back. Doesn't she, she's like we're fine.
Speaker 3:Can I actually sorry, just can I read the quote real fast about Nesta. I'm fine, the slurs loved it so much. Just to go back a little bit. So there is no ant reply, which I guess is this ant that's supposedly Feyre is supposed to be, with Nesta reached into her pocket and tossed something onto the churned up earth. It was a chunk of wood, as if it had been ripped from something. Painted on its smooth surface was a pretty tangle of vines and foxglove Foxglove painted in the wrong shade of blue. My breath hitched all this time, all these months, your beast little tricks didn't work on me and that's when I started to like Nesta. Anyway, sorry not to backtrack to you, no, I mean.
Speaker 3:I think that's something that I overlooked until I read it again like the sprinkle in of her strong will, and I love that little Because I like we talked about this with Ballad of Song, birth and the Snakes I like it when you don't get handheld things and books like they literally say, oh, this happened, and then you know 12 chapters. They're like do you remember when this happened in chapter one and now it's connected, whereas like this, it's just a little bit of dialogue in there, her characters, and I enjoy that a lot.
Speaker 2:I mean, and in the beginning she writes Nesta, almost like she doesn't like Thabra- you know so then to see her being like I, looked for you like I kept this because it reminds me of you, so I wouldn't forget, and like it shows that she like, loves her and cares. It's like a different side.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that you didn't see before.
Speaker 3:Totally, totally agree. Yes, yeah, so, yeah, so, like you guys were just saying so, then her and Farah are talking and Farah decides she's going back.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I don't remember how. I don't know if they're specifically say how long she stays at home. It's not a super long time.
Speaker 1:She has a ball. She has to wait for her. The family throws her a ball. Oh, that's right.
Speaker 3:That's right.
Speaker 1:So it must be at least like a couple of weeks or something like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But then she goes yeah.
Speaker 3:And then it takes her what? Two days to find the opening in the wall. Yeah, she goes to the levels because Nesta looked for it too and couldn't find it. Yeah, but Farah.
Speaker 1:It took me two days. I just looked.
Speaker 3:Wow, two days. And so she finds the hole in the wall and she gets through, she makes her way back to Spring Court and when she gets to the manards it's not destroyed, but the inside is just. I mean, the inside is destroyed. It's obvious that something has happened has happened, yeah. And then she goes to the door. Besides, she finds Alice, yeah, and Alice is pissed.
Speaker 3:Yes, that's right, because Alice is the one who finally tells us what actually has been going down. Like you've actually learned everything. You learned everything. Yeah, she lets it out and you find out that you find out about I can never say her name Amarynthea, the main villain.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Amory, amory Ampah.
Speaker 3:You find out that you find about this under the mountain place where everybody's being held, that this blight is like all of their, like this curse, that their powers have been taken away, and she tells her about the whole bargain. Right, yeah, with the. I love you. And the mask on their face the curse, the curse that because basically Amoryntha is in love with Tamlin, yeah, Like obsessed with him, and wants him.
Speaker 3:And then we learn it might have been earlier, but I know for sure it comes out that like part of this prophecy cursing was that Pharah would kill his friend, his friend, and that's why he and then you kind of get, oh well, this is probably why he didn't attack her in the woods immediately, because he knew so much made sense after this he knew that part of this curse, part of this prophecy, was that she would kill someone important in his life, and somebody who it was somebody who hated fairies and who killed one, would have to fall in love with Tamlin, yeah, and so that was his, which is which is like Beauty and the Beast, kind of like the whole I love you thing, and then you're like so then I kind of feel like I felt how Chanel feels that she didn't say I love you.
Speaker 3:I was like, really, if she she loves him If she just would have said it back.
Speaker 1:I know I thought that when it first happened, and then I'm like, okay, you really should have said it when she was revealing.
Speaker 3:I kind of blame Tamlin too, though, like he knew that Pharah was falling in love with him and he just sent her away Right.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, because he loved her more than he did about the curse, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, honestly, this is why I like morally gray characters. They'll burn the world down. They're going to save shit.
Speaker 1:Well, honestly, you know who should have been rightfully so is Alice. She's like it was you Like yeah, like, yeah, like. Bad at Tamlin, bad at Pharah, like mad at the world, mad at the world, like, and rightfully so. Yeah, you guys are falling in love. We heard you having sex upstairs for 12 hours.
Speaker 1:And then, and then I had to pack up that damn carriage for you to leave the next day, and I knew what was going to happen and I was like, oh, we're all about to die. I know, like I definitely, like seriously, like of course Alice would have been mad, like come on, now she's like I'm about to die because you're idiot.
Speaker 3:So so Alice tells her what she like. If she's wanting to say what she needs to do, where she needs to go, she'll take her some part of the journey and she gives her. There's like three pieces of advice that she gives her. Which spoiler alert? She listens to none of it.
Speaker 1:Don't make a deal with anybody she's like don't listen to your senses.
Speaker 3:Okay, she might, she might. She does do that, but she's like don't make a deal with anybody, especially dark haired men with wings, doesn't she say don't drink the fairy wine, yeah. She tells her don't drink the fairy wine, and I thought there was some, maybe it was just those three things. Listen to yourself, don't drink the fairy wine and don't make a deal with anybody. Yeah, she's like okay, one out of three is good. Yeah, one out of three.
Speaker 1:I mean to favorite credit. I mean she kind of was forced to drink that wine.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and make the deal honestly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean she tried to say no.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so. So Alice takes her to like the cave that leads to under the mountain and that's where she leaves her. And this is where I feel like this book could, besides like the night of passion, could have read as a young adult and then we get to this part and it's like not that scary or like violent or anything straight into like horrific things, horrific.
Speaker 1:Hapening.
Speaker 3:So she kind of instantly gets caught under the mountain. She thinks she's being sneaky and like within minutes, I feel like she smells like a human.
Speaker 1:I don't know what she thinks was going to happen. Yeah, yeah, she's like loud.
Speaker 3:She's like sneaking behind a coat of armor and like the spear falls off or whatever, in front of the guards. That's what I picture, chanel. Stop me if I miss anything that you want to talk about.
Speaker 1:I was trying to see if I could see what she was like her warnings or whatever. But she says she says them all within Like Alice, has a full on like speech. You know anyway, but go ahead.
Speaker 3:So she gets under the mountain, she gets caught instantly. She's taken into this quote unquote thorn room or a throne room, thorn room, jesus.
Speaker 1:I was like I missed that part.
Speaker 3:Throne room and it's like this place sounds terrible and people have been down there for like 50 years yeah.
Speaker 2:Like no windows, obviously no light.
Speaker 3:So Amarithia, it's been 84 years. It's been 84 years. Yeah. You're like no light, people die here. There's no windows. You're like this is me in the ER.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh my God, don't get into healthcare.
Speaker 3:Anyway so she's taken to this throne room. She kind of like, instantly she sees Amarithia, she's sitting in this like giant throne, tamlin's sitting next to her like a dog. That's how she treats us.
Speaker 1:I literally picture him like sitting next to her on the ground like howdy. Like I'm like a little like fluffy pillow With a leash.
Speaker 3:It's just, you're just like what, and then now this is all going to run together. Do you instantly see the one girl up on the wall? She's been there.
Speaker 1:After she like introduced they like kind of talk and introduce, and then she's like look behind you because Look what we did.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's like that was hard to read, yeah.
Speaker 2:Is that when she's trying to make her tell her what her name is, or something?
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, all of us what's your name, yeah. Because she's like I come to claim Tamlin and she's like oh, really. And then she's like I know, and then you're right, and she was like, yeah, what's your name? And oh yeah, because she didn't want to give her name.
Speaker 3:And so for her sisters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Lucian, right, he like.
Speaker 2:Reese gets in Lucian's mind.
Speaker 1:Yes. Trying to find her name, find her name, and he wouldn't give up his, he wouldn't give up anything. So then she Pharah's like I'll give you my name. She yells out her name, I think, to stop him from, yeah, to save Lucian, and that's what she's like. Then she brings in Reese and Fucking. Reese is like is this the human that you saw? He's like he doesn't even look at her.
Speaker 3:He's like it could be I guess he's like I don't look at. I'm telling you I instantly love Lucien and Reese the most I know. I like that. Lucien is kind of like the damsel in the stress that keeps getting put in the middle of things with Vera, like I don't want to be involved Freaking and then we're saying it's just the cool that I want to be at some point.
Speaker 2:Meh could be and then she's like well, when I showed you this other girl, you said it was her and he was like all humans look the same.
Speaker 1:He just so nonchalant about it and Ferris in her mind's, like you damn well.
Speaker 3:No, no, he's like picking lit all the shirts, like they all look the same to me.
Speaker 1:She's like we met multiple times and you know Well she says something about like he recognized her from the party. Yeah already, yeah, yeah so then, and then that's when they do the reveal, and she's like look, that's Clara that yeah woman, you.
Speaker 1:And then she like turns around and she's like that's Claire. Yeah, she knew Claire had been Like her, her house had been Torched and her family had been killed, but Claire was missing, yeah, and so she's like this is where she is. She said this is where they've taken her and this is what they've done with her, what I've done with her.
Speaker 3:Um, amoranthia is a bitch.
Speaker 1:This was hard for me to read honestly like it was really so they did this poor basically.
Speaker 3:She's been just like tortured and murdered.
Speaker 1:Yeah, her body's nailed there. That's what she said.
Speaker 3:Just up on the swallow in front of everybody at all times.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she said like parts of her body were burned. It's so sad.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it's a real downer, real quickly, yeah.
Speaker 1:This. I've never seen her. Oh, amoranthus, like well, what do you have to say? Hi Lord, I've never seen her. Oh, this is Tamla. I've never seen her before. Someone must have glamored her as a joke, probably re-san, like. So, tamlan's like still protecting her, so like no one's claiming. Yeah everyone knows who I am like. Why is this girl coming here? And Everyone claims they don't know who this human girl is, but somehow she's made it under this mountain and um, so anyway, yeah, so.
Speaker 3:Just some things about Amoranthia. She has red hair, mm-hmm. They make her telling she is beautiful. She's beautiful, mm-hmm, and crazy and crazy. She wears a necklace of a Bone of a finger around her neck and she's got a freaking ring on that's got an eyeball in it that's just swirling around looking at everybody. It's someone's poor soul. It's somebody's soul in this ring for like hundreds of years.
Speaker 2:Tell her that too.
Speaker 3:When she came back, she like tells the whole story.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, the back and you want to talk about it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Basically how she is in cudes with.
Speaker 1:It's like her sister's lover.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, yeah, the big war, and she, yeah, she was like a general of, like the big baddie the king and I still and the king gave her, like under the mountain, and all this free reign and she's pretty powerful and she killed her. She loves her brother yeah she loves to ruin people's lives.
Speaker 2:Well jury and killed her sister and tortured her. So then she was like kind of in.
Speaker 3:I felt like she was justified in this and this whole situation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because she tried to warn her sister, like don't Get in with the humans, with this guy, and then the sister didn't listen and so yeah, that's probably the only time where I feel like she was just Just. But it's also like horrendous to like keep his soul like cuz. Every time she would talk to Fera or like do something terrible. You'll see like she like tortures other people. She would turn his eye around to like see all the terrible stuff she would do. Yeah, it's not like he can blink.
Speaker 3:She didn't keep the eyelid. I think he deserves it. Okay, he killed her sister. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:My god, I do the same. I didn't even. He didn't keep the eyelid, no.
Speaker 3:I didn't think about that either. I was imagining this thing blinking. No, it's just.
Speaker 1:It could at least close like no, it can't, I can't.
Speaker 3:Anyways. So that's gross. She's really attractive, besides those things, and, yeah, insane Her heart terribly ugly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's ugly on the inside, so now talk about that or the okay. So this.
Speaker 3:This woman obviously is bored and loves a good riddle. It's just like she loves games. Oh, you know, she loves games. Did you get? Did you get the riddle? She know, got the riddle we were. So I felt so dumb afterwards.
Speaker 2:No, it's not, it was.
Speaker 3:Thank you, thank you, so did I. I was like what the fuck? And then Chanel got it before yeah. What did she offer first and she did she do the trial thing first and then add the riddle? Or was it the riddle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so she's like, if you can complete these three trials and survive, then I'll free everybody.
Speaker 3:Or oh yeah, read it.
Speaker 1:I want this curse broken dude. I complete all of your tasks and his curse is broken and we, all of his court, can leave here and remain free forever. Of course, I'll throw in another element, if you don't mind, just to see if you're worthy of our kind, if you're smart enough to deserve him Jury and eyes swirled wildly, the eye stopped moving. I'll give you a way out. You complete all the task or, when you can't stand it anymore, all you have to do.
Speaker 1:She could have answered it at any time anytime is Answer one question, a riddle, solve it and his curse will be broken instantaneously. I won't even need to lift my finger and he'll be free.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that's what it was and I think that wording is really important in the and obviously comes into play later, instantly, if she solves over it, brittle and there isn't really a time frame. On the other ones she's just like I will free. Yeah, everybody, if you complete these tasks. She's such a bitch. So then after this I'm pretty sure this happens here and correct me if I'm wrong like they, she gets beaten up here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but yeah, yeah. So she, she gives her the riddle. She gives her the riddle. Are you gonna? Those who seek me at lifetime but never we meet, and those I kiss but who trample me beneath ungrateful feet? At Times, I seem to favor the clever and the fair, but I bless all those who are brave enough to dare. By large, my Ministrations are soft-handed and sweet, but scorned. I become a difficult beast to defeat for those For though, each of my strikes lands a powerful blow. When I kill, I do it slow.
Speaker 3:That's what got me I when I kill, I do it slow.
Speaker 1:Killing me softly. That's what I started.
Speaker 3:That's how she got the wow. We're all singers here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then just singing that song, you're right. Then she gets like beat up, like it's like vicious, like in a back alley Like that.
Speaker 3:That otter thing is out the ATT out of yeah this like weird fairy. That's terrible. In this Amaritha is like second hand man, like really beats her up.
Speaker 2:They all laugh at her and they're like yeah and they like throw her in the dungeon.
Speaker 3:It's really fuck her up. Yes, yeah, she has a broken nose. Lucian comes in, heals her, fixes it. I Feel so bad for Lucian. He's just trying to help, he's just he can't win. I love him. He's like probably I just love his character so much. He just gets better and better, and better and better, Like a fine wine. You're right, he does actually like a fine red-headed wine.
Speaker 1:Okay, clearly she likes blondes, then red heads, and that's it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's so the first task. The first task is this giant worm thing which. Have you seen the memes? Yes where it's the worm from a sponge Bob. That's all I imagine.
Speaker 1:Actually I was imagining it was between that and then, if you guys seen Dune.
Speaker 3:I was just actually that it was.
Speaker 1:Dune, because they were talking about.
Speaker 3:I picture didn't teeth.
Speaker 1:They were talking about the teeth.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I just picture the SpongeBob worm. Yeah, but obviously it wasn't a cartoon. But it's a little more violent than SpongeBob, like this, it's like this maze of like mud and like worm poop.
Speaker 1:I guess, and death and death, seas and bones.
Speaker 3:And it's like this gross giant worm that she has to defeat and I was like what the heck?
Speaker 3:I honestly, when I was reading I was like how is she even gonna win? Like this took a turn, yeah, um. But she's actually very clever, yeah, cuz it's kind of like this labyrinth and she collects all these bones and like sets a trap. She like finds the worms, like little den whole thing that it lives in, sets a trap with all these bones and kind of makes a ladder out of bones to climb out. I mean it's all really smart. Yeah. She gets injured in the process, like her arm arm, and it's like gross. No, that's after, is after it's when the adder like throws her down.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm confused. Okay, I thought was when she was climbing out. Okay, so she sets a strap for the worm and it works.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it kills it.
Speaker 3:Everyone's shocked.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, yeah. I hit the earth last, its massive body to the side, anticipating the strike to kill me, but a what? Crunching noise filled the air and stead, and the worm didn't move and she's like she's covered herself in she's disgusting yeah, so it can't like smell. Yeah.
Speaker 3:So how does she get injured again then? Cuz I'm confused it's.
Speaker 2:I know she gets stabbed with like the bone. Maybe lifts her out of it and then, like, drops her on the ground, and then she like, oh yes, when, when he's presenting her to Amarantha.
Speaker 1:Is that what happened? Red hands, grab me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think she.
Speaker 1:Shot along my arm and agony blanket in my second my senses. I looked to my left forearm then and my stomach rose at the trickling blood and ripped tendons at the lips of my skin pulled Back to accommodate the shaft of bone shard protruding clean through it. Yeah, she broke her arm at that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like pulled her out of the trenches and then like dropped her.
Speaker 3:Okay, so I just remember thinking I was like she's getting infection.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, because yeah, and worm shit, yeah, and open fracture, open fracture. No one, not even Lucian, came to fix my arm in the days following my victory, I mean she's dying.
Speaker 3:At this point she obviously has a raging infection. Her bone is still sticking out, mm-hmm, I don't even know how. She's conscious and she is hoping that Lucian's coming, but he never. He doesn't anyways. And this is when. Guess who comes? What I breathe should, else boy. So Rich and Rissan shows up and he offers her a deal that At first he says a month, doesn't he? He?
Speaker 2:says two weeks.
Speaker 1:Said you're gonna bargain.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she's dying and she's trying to bargain this day.
Speaker 2:She's like now, how about a?
Speaker 3:week. So he's like I'll heal you, but you have to. Originally he says two weeks. Do you have to send two weeks at the night court? But it ends up being a week, right, yeah, and then they're bargain it down to a week because every month and so they just shake on. It Is that when she gets the tattoo I know it's almost instant, but there wasn't it doesn't mention that no. I don't think they shake, but she as soon as she makes the promise, she gets the tattoos.
Speaker 2:Well, it's when he is it when he heals.
Speaker 1:It was when he yeah, he healed, there was a blinding quick and she's made.
Speaker 3:So she's broken Alice's first rule. She's made a deal with somebody now. I thought it was cool, though, that she made a deal, got to cool tattoos. I was like that's pretty cool. It's like this tattoo all up her arm and there's an eye tattoo on her palm that looks like it's looking at her. It's interesting. So she's not dying anymore, so that's good and I just like to say I Was just gonna say.
Speaker 1:I just like to say that, because we eventually find out this a little bit later. But Tamlin was going to come for her. I was sure was going, or, sorry, lucen was gonna. Lucian was going to come for her, but he was getting punished For okay.
Speaker 3:I still don't think he would have made it in time, though I don't, I don't, I was gonna make it in time.
Speaker 1:He was getting punished for helping her the first time he was getting punished Tamlin actually was like lashing.
Speaker 1:He had like to give him 20 lashes or something because he had Helped her originally earlier, what we already talked about. But you're right, I think she I don't even know if she would have made another day or so, but he was planning on coming and they have a conversation about it and he was like you know, what did you do? Like why did you? He's kind of mad that she made this bargain as well, but but he was going to come. We still are fans of Lucy. Yeah, he wanted to, yeah, but but she, she had to. Yeah, and also, I mean, you're kind of like, oh, why did she make this deal with Reese? Like he's not that great of a guy but, on the other hand, like he did save her life at this point and we can go into the second task, which again kind of makes me like him even more. So go ahead.
Speaker 3:So then we come to the second task, which is like, which involves Lucian poor. Lucian this is what I'm saying like is so funny is that he just keeps getting involved, even though he doesn't necessarily like he's. Others also really funny memes and it's like I'm gonna die because this girl can't read.
Speaker 3:I was thinking like come on anyway so the second task is there is this Like riddle on this. It's I imagined and this will be wrong, like this big pit that her and Lucian are in the oceans like chain to it, and it's like I saw. There is a movie, like something that's happened.
Speaker 1:There's this big giant like cage lid, almost that's like coming down slowly spiked it spiked and hot that would I think of, like Star Wars or I Don't know, when they're like like Java the hood kind of I don't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I'd like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah and so there's a riddle on the wall with like three Levers and she has to pull the right one to stop this thing from killing her and Lucian. And then you're instantly like, oh my god, she can't read, you can't read. Yeah, and this is when you're like, well, thank god, she made this bargain with Bersand because he is talking to her through this, you find out later a bond like this tattoo. Yeah, yeah, telepathy kind of, to tell her the answer, but still, like she kind of waits to the last well, she's like do I trust him?
Speaker 1:and she, she tries reading. She's like yeah, grass, grass, hopper, like girl, this isn't the time to learn in two seconds.
Speaker 3:Lucian must have just been like. This is how did?
Speaker 1:The whole time. Lucy's like pick one fair. He's like yelling at her just pick one. He's like I'll you, I'm either gonna die, but like don't die from like lack of not trying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they are feeling the heat from these like spikes and stuff by the time she actually pulls the lever that Reese is telling her to pull which is the correct one?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because, like you said, yeah, when she goes to pick one, it like Uh-huh, yeah. And then when she goes to pick two, what does it say? It's like two, she didn't feel pain. But then when she tried three, she felt pain again. So she was like huh, this is interesting, maybe I should go with this one when there's no pain.
Speaker 2:She still took a hot minute.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like I'm kind of she waited.
Speaker 2:I think she said the thing was like inches from her head, yeah.
Speaker 3:So she saved. So she saved, Um passes the second trial only because of her sand.
Speaker 2:But the best part of that whole scenario, I feel like, is after, because, remember, the ground's like rising and he's talking to her and he was like stare at her Don't.
Speaker 1:I like I got, I got emotional. Yeah, it says don't let her see you cry. Put your hands at your sides and stand up, stand. Don't give her the satisfaction of seeing you break. Oh, and then he's like good, stare her down, no tears. Wait until you're back in your cell. Don't look at Tamlin, just stare at her. He's like good girl. Now walk away, turn on your heel. Good, walk towards the door, keep your chin up high. Let the crowd part one step after the other. I swear I started tearing up when he said good girl. I died when I said that no, nothing. I mean yes, yes, yes. I mean like the whole thing, that he was like supporting her in this super traumatic moment and not only helps her but like mentally, emotionally helped her.
Speaker 3:It was like who could not like his character after this?
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, you're right, that was the best part. Yeah, that was the best part. That was the best part. I was like, oh, I'm so on board at this.
Speaker 3:That's when you know there's like, well, we kind of already know there's more to his character, just from like him helping her and the deal and all this other stuff. But like that really like cemented it. For me after that it's like, well, there's nothing to gain, like it could be. Oh, maybe there's something to gain with him helping her win this stuff, but him telling her that stuff, there's like no, nothing for him to gain necessarily from that outwardly, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Totally. That was. That was a big moment. Well, it also I guess it also makes you think what is there to gain? Yeah, you know what I mean? Because you're like, ok, why the hell is he helping her? He's now made a deal with her to be there for a week. Why would he want her a week at his court? Now he's helping her with tasks, why would he want that? Yeah, and then you do kind of see, or you have an insight, they have a conversation and you're like, yeah, and I guess I should have mentioned this too.
Speaker 3:I guess more time is passing here than I'm making it seem like she's not a quick thing, it's like isn't the do? They say it's the full moon that she does these tasks. So it's like once a month, yeah, that she's doing these tasks, so she's like suffering for a while, like in this cell with like it's just not great.
Speaker 3:She ain't living a good life right now. It's not good, it's not good. So then, after this, this is the first time that she goes right to one of these parties with so and I love these characters I thought she'd been going to the parties the whole time.
Speaker 1:I think it's not the second task, oh OK.
Speaker 3:After the tattoo, that kind of it was all Blurring. I know I read this part so fast and then I took notes, the notes after I read the book. I'm like I got to get this clear.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So we're saying since, like two of his servants or something, if you want to call them, I guess like these ghosts yeah. Yeah, they can like float through walls. They're twins, right Twins.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I automatically love this. Obviously, obviously. They don't really say much to her. They just go and get her and they bathe her, they cover her whole body. You know, I thought they cover her all in tattoos and everything of the mummy. Yeah, do you remember when, like, she's covered in tattoos and the the pharaoh knows that somebody's touched her because the tattoos are smudged? Anyways that's all I could think of when I was reading this part. Dresses her like super slutty and nothing like it's like see through Raps is the way that it's described to me yeah.
Speaker 3:And then I mean I this isn't super nice of her saying, because I feel like this is just a pissed Tamlin off. 100% is to piss Just well, yes, but then didn't.
Speaker 2:Does it hand up later saying the paint like. The purpose of the paint is also to show Tamlin that he's not touching her places. He shouldn't be like only good side kind of, because I forgot that part.
Speaker 1:Yeah me too. I like that because you, you only see that he actually touches her and he admits later on, on like her wrists or on like her arms. Yeah, yeah, like because he has her sit like on his lap or whatever. Could I?
Speaker 3:love him more. I just now did because I never caught that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and respectful.
Speaker 3:And respectful me and he also like I and I thought this in the beginning he has her drink fairy wine, but I think it's intentional so she doesn't have to remember a lot of these parties because it's probably terrible for her. So just kind of like this drunken haze that she which I'm isn't great either, because I'm sure that stress will not really know what's going on, but because Lucian comes to herself and tells her what happens at the party.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Like he's, like he makes you dance yeah. Whatever?
Speaker 1:Blackout, but on the other hand, it like it gets you through them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. And then she also. Now I don't remember when this happened and this isn't super significant, but it's a little thing that's thrown here. I don't remember if it's before or after the second task or these parties but she's also tasked with, like doing things in this under the mountain, like in this palace type thing, like she has to. This kind of reminds me of Cinderella. She's supposed to clean all these floors with dirty water or she'll be punished. And it's dirty water and she can't clean it in the autumn court.
Speaker 1:It's Lucian's mother.
Speaker 3:From the autumn court, gives her clean water so she can do it and then she also like. Another task is she has to like clean all these lentils or something out of her sand fireplace, like pick them out or something like this.
Speaker 2:So stupid Cinderella. Yeah, because that's the day when he comes in and then he tells all the guards like no one's allowed to touch her and then after that day she's like I get a fresh meal every hot meal every day and it's like he's had her, I don't know, like she's being taken care of after. Yeah, kind of yeah, I think so. Yeah, the best you can, yeah, the best we can hope for.
Speaker 3:So I don't think this is the first. This doesn't happen at the first party that she goes to, but at some point at another she goes to. This she's like in the tattoos in the dress and Tamlin gets away from Amrythia's, you know for a minute.
Speaker 3:That is so stupid. I know that's why I thought reading this, like what an idiot pulls her into this closet and they just start like making out you know she's got, she knows she has these tattooed like this. There are real problems happening right now. Tamlin, that's what I'm just like. I get it. They love each other and she really misses him.
Speaker 2:Also, he couldn't just like talk to her.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you had to make out Right In a closet like nobody's gonna be looking for you guys Both of them. So Tamlin, ressan finds them first. And how does this happen? Finds them first, pulls Tamlin out of the closet and gets in with her, so it looks like Ressan's been in the closet, making out like whatever.
Speaker 1:So Tamlin he like straightens up and then he like magics away because, remember, she has these tattoos on. He magics away the smudges off of Tamlin and then Tamlin, like I said, like kind of writes his hair and his because they're like full, like humping against the wall.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like this is not a little make out like they're going at it, yeah.
Speaker 1:So so Tamlin like writes his shirt and his like pants or whatever, and then I wish you could see Stacy's face.
Speaker 3:I wish all my listeners could see.
Speaker 1:Stacy's face.
Speaker 3:I love inappropriate makeouts or whatever, but even me reading this was like you stupid idiot.
Speaker 1:So then Tamlin leaves and Ressan like makes some whatever stupid comment. I had it marked, but then I was running out of tabs so I had to. I was like maybe this wasn't, but anyway. And so then Tamlin like force kisses himself onto. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Pharah and Pharah was like what the frick? And that's when Tamlin and Amoramco walked into the room and and they catch them kissing and I thought it was just like so brilliant. At first I was like what the frick are you doing? And then I was like, oh, it's because he had to get marks on his. He had to get those marks on him because clearly she was disheveled and yeah, but why couldn't he just fix her fucking paint?
Speaker 3:with his mattress, because he's he's, he's, he's being chess why everybody's playing soccer? Because he's. Reese and it looks messy, but but because why else would they be in this closet? Yeah?
Speaker 1:I guess that's true. That's true too, but and so it had to look like she was in there making out with someone, and it looked like him and he's a whore or whatever. Slut.
Speaker 3:And then they kind of slut shamed her too, yeah yeah, basically it's like all humans are hosts. Yeah, she was a hoe.
Speaker 1:But of course Tamlin's mad, because he's like yeah, tamlin's pissed, yeah, now you're making out with him. So anyway, yeah, but I was just like oh, that was like super brilliant, even though it like makes you seem evil instead of getting Tamlin in trouble.
Speaker 3:it's yeah, so then we get into this last task. This is like the very end of the book. This was actually really hard to read and it was really sad. Her last task is she has to kill three fairies. She has a knife for each of them. The first one, they're all they make him seem higher up, higher up.
Speaker 1:They're young yeah.
Speaker 3:Young adult fairies. The first one is this young man who is sad. He's like sobbing for her not to do it and she does and it's so. This was really hard to read. You can just tell that she hates. She's just breaking every step of the way she does it. She picks up the second one. I think the second one's even worse because it's a young female and she's not begging for her life. She like understands what's happening and she's like very calm about it and she's like reciting this prayer as it happens. And then she gets. So then you find out Tamlin is the last fairy she has to kill and I was like what the fuck? And then instant like so she's thinking back. I know I was like, oh no. One of my favorite quotes from the whole book is when she's like I love you and then stabs him.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:She's going back through all these conversations in her head because she can't understand what's happening here, this is what I think was I saying this to you?
Speaker 1:I think I was texting this to you, hannah, when I was like, okay, she can't solve this fucking riddle, but she can go back through all these conversations.
Speaker 3:Oh, you told me this.
Speaker 1:Oh, I said she go through all these conversations in the span of like 30 seconds and be like he has a stone heart.
Speaker 2:Did Rhysand not know this? Like could he not tell a path that he just told?
Speaker 3:her Right, tell her that he has a scar.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, you're right. You know he would have known that right, I would think so.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I don't know if it was just the spring court that knew that, because Alice kind of alludes to it, because she can't say it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and obviously, lucian, that was one of the conversations. He said it. The attour, whatever that guy, he knew it. That was one of the conversations she recalled. So Amaranthas court knew it.
Speaker 3:So she does, she stabs him. I love him and then I punch the daggers, then all chaos kind of like breaks loose, because then Amaranthas is like I didn't say when I'd free everybody.
Speaker 2:Exactly, she's such a bitch. It's like people in the crowd are kind of pissed about it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, people are kind of like Because it's all the other High Lords that want to be free. They think they're going to be free. They think that this is like it. So then I'm trying to remember how this happens. In the chaos that ensues after this. Amaranthas is pissed and she starts beating her ass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she starts beating her ass and killing her All of her magic to Breaking her bones.
Speaker 3:She can feel her sand.
Speaker 2:He's freaking out.
Speaker 1:He starts trying to attack her and charge yeah, yes, but she's using her magic to shield Risi is the only one doing a goddamn thing half the time, all the time.
Speaker 3:Just he is.
Speaker 1:And she uses her magic to slam Reese into the wall. She's attacking him and still attacking Farrah.
Speaker 3:She's very powerful and she's got everyone else's magic Lowered but hers.
Speaker 1:And this whole time. Look, she's practically unconscious and Farrah's thinking about the fucking riddle. Now, okay, when I kill, I'll do it slowly but scorned. She's like the whole time everything's happening, I'll just get I become a difficult beast to kill. It must be love. That's what she's thinking. I'm like girl, you wouldn't have solved this in a million years. While she solves it in the book and instantly the curse is broken.
Speaker 3:Yeah, thank God. But as this is happening, her back or neck snaps from Amaranthia. But as soon as it's broken, then Tamlan has all of his powers back. He instantly starts ripping her to shreds, but Reese goes for her. Reese instantly goes for Farrah and Tamlan kills Amaranthia and then shows she's technically dead.
Speaker 1:He closed his powerful jaws around her throat and ripped it out.
Speaker 2:After he put a sword through her head.
Speaker 3:That's a graphic. Yeah, he's pissed. He's pissed. He's got some anger issues we'll later learn. And then so Farrah is. She's technically dead and she's saying she can see herself through the bond, through Reese's tattoo. She's looking at herself dead and then all of the High Lords come together and they basically bring her back from the dead. I don't know if they realize they're giving her part of their powers together. And she gets turned into a high fay.
Speaker 1:It's brilliant, it's brilliant.
Speaker 3:It's brilliant, it all just happens within the last 50 pages so quickly.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, this is like the last 20 pages, yum, and yeah, so she's a.
Speaker 3:I mean it happens really quickly. She's a high pay. I think they stay under the Mount for a night after that, though they're still there because it's like the next morning. Yeah, the next morning they're gonna leave. Yeah, everyone's asleep, so all this has happened, and Then before everybody leaves the next morning because she's still like so this is, she hasn't processed, obviously, obviously. Yeah, reese's. She's talking to Reese out on a balcony type situation she senses him through their tattoos or what?
Speaker 3:Yeah, through this bond, that's happening and I do have this highlighted, and I I've seen a tick talk about this. So no spoilers please. No, I won't. So I don't know when I don't know why this isn't why this is so important, but I know it's important because everybody Talks about it, mm-hmm. Well, you can kind of feel it too, because you end the book on this and you're like why?
Speaker 2:is this important?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, okay. So here it is Okay. So they're talking they kind of, I mean, before he leaves, and so his they're saying goodbye to each other, and this is what it says. His eyes locked online, wide and wild, and his nostrils flared. Shock, pure shock, flashed across his features at whatever he saw on my face and he stumbled back a step, actually stumbled. What is I began? He disappeared, simply disappeared, not a shadow in sight into the crisp air. Hmm, which is a big deal because, like he's the most powerful.
Speaker 3:He's so powerful. You still know it, yeah, and it's like well, why is he stumbling it? Just like you don't know what's going on. I just feel like it's a great line, it's a good place to like. It's good place. It's like almost like a cliff. Yeah, ends on yeah and then they go back to the spring court together and you get this sense of so that's kind of a cliffhanger, but then it ends with kind of a sense that everything's going to be okay because they're together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I feel like definitely isn't. Is that one where you like read the last page and you're like, holy shit, like what's gonna happen? Yeah, yeah, just like a?
Speaker 3:You technically I mean honestly, and I do like books like this that could be a standalone on its own. There are some unanswered questions, but it's kind of wrapped up. But then you obviously want to know what else happens with these characters. So, it was a nice wrap up on this book.
Speaker 2:Yeah so that kind of is. I mean like and this is a spoiler but um the second book and it's like Like, you're like holy shit.
Speaker 3:Huge cliffhanger. Yeah, holy shit. Oh, like it's like the second.
Speaker 2:I read the last sentence. I'm like next book ordering the next one.
Speaker 3:I already bought the next book. I'm only halfway through the second one. I bought the third one already. I'm like it's even longer. You guys are crazy.
Speaker 1:When I have a series like I have to order the all, the whole thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I ordered all the books too. Yeah, um, we're all fast. I think Stacy's gonna cut out early on us.
Speaker 1:I have to and we'll wrap up the episode. The three of us will wrap up the kudos and then kudos us before you leave.
Speaker 3:My kudos is for you guys and our guests and our guests, because this is just a great episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is a really good, this is gonna get me through 12 hours of being under the mountain, so I'm ready. Seriously well. Yay, love you, We'll miss you. Have fun it and that you are and we'll um.
Speaker 3:The three of us will finish up this episode. Yeah, yeah, bye, bye, stacey. Oh, she will wrap up the episode at the end for you with her little catchphrase.
Speaker 1:I'll make sure, I'll say, I'm gonna make Chanel say it. Yeah, she has a catchphrase.
Speaker 3:She says at the end Um, any thoughts, any last thoughts about the book that you guys want to add?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I'm definitely gonna read book two.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was wondering because I okay part I love. Like I said on thursday, I listened to the part one of the podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she listened to my episode and I feel like it.
Speaker 2:Left off with you were like not on board.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I did when I tell you I didn't like it, when I tell you I felt like and maybe you can agree to this I felt like the first 10 pages of the second book I was already like more hooked than I was in the first half of the first book. Like I was instantly like oh my god, there's so much, so much depth here with the characters.
Speaker 1:Everyone says the second book is afraid. Like every person I've talked to that's read the series every single person and that makes me feel good because I feel like this was a good book. Yeah, but, um, but it clearly is laying the groundwork for the series. That makes sense, that clearly makes sense, but um.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean and and I have a friend who also is reading the series, but she was like I don't know. I just feel like the first book it's just a lot of like descriptive, like talking about what the spring court looks like and stuff and it's like, yeah, but you have to do that. Yeah, yeah, jump in and not Right, right, right.
Speaker 1:Right, right, and that makes sense, like a lot of of fantasy series are like that. So, um, I'm glad that it is like keeping me interested to like read the second book. So I definitely will. I Wasn't planning on reading the second book, um, I'll wait till next. Like when I started this series, I I was probably like, oh, just read the first book and I'll be like, eventually I'll get to the second one. But, um, but because I think I'm invested, now I will. I can't stop reading it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think you will fall in love with Feyre too, in the beginning of this book.
Speaker 1:Like I definitely like her more than when I started you, I do you think.
Speaker 3:I really fell in love with her in the beginning of the second Book like she really has fleshed out as a whole character. Oh, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1:Definitely, and I mean I already like, like, even nested more, like, more than when I started you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Like, kind of like you.
Speaker 1:I think you were kind of saying like you know she started out and she was mad at at Feyre, but now it's like you at least see that she cares about her. I think, if you, if you Find a character that's like that and you're like, oh, she has some feelings. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I think that's that's worthwhile this is, I guess, not off topic, because it's similar, but so I have an old co-worker and she just had a baby and she named her son. Reese spelled our hys.
Speaker 1:Really, she'll have to show you the picture she sent them to me because we were talking about this.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's so cute and the nursery is bat themed like the walls. Have like bats on them.
Speaker 3:I already love this person and like his little he's little like.
Speaker 2:That's why I read the series, because she we were talking about books and she's like my favorite series is this, but she's super into like she loves. Have you guys seen me a paradise? Oh yeah, I just love vampire.
Speaker 3:First few the originals.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she like traveled to virginia, wherever the mystic falls.
Speaker 3:It's a real place now to her. Yeah, and everything yeah.
Speaker 2:So she was obsessed, but anyway, she, yeah, she just had a son named Reese, that's amazing.
Speaker 1:His little like onesie and like what do you wrap up the babies in a swaddle? His swaddle is like has like stars on, is like a nice sky and everything. All the pictures were so cute but guess what? This baby's blonde as hell. I said that is not a Reese. I said that is not a Reese, that's a tamlin.
Speaker 3:Don't tell her that I probably won't like it.
Speaker 1:I said she probably wants him to be a Reese. And, granted, I I've only read the first book. But like she probably wants him to be a Reese, but he's probably gonna be this like laid-back, chilled little, push-over baby child, she wants it to be a Reese. So bad, hilarious yeah that's great, that's so funny Anyway, but, um, yeah, I'll have to show you the pictures, but yeah, no, I'll definitely read the second book and I'm excited to to get into this series.
Speaker 2:So I'm gonna start the third one today, yay, yay.
Speaker 3:I'll be reading my second one today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I might read the end of the second one too, just to refresh. It's been like three months.
Speaker 1:Okay, now we can I know stacey started if we can do our kudos. Yeah, you can go. Um, my kudos first of all obviously is Hannah. Thank you for being here today. It was good, good seeing you. Um also, um, my friend Bob I've been a dog sitting for him and so he always, like it's so nice, gets me stuff from. He was in San Diego and so yeah, love, love, bob, and and mark and yeah, and then of course you and stacey, it's always good. I haven't seen you guys.
Speaker 2:We haven't recorded in person this first time in. Oh really.
Speaker 1:Wait a month?
Speaker 3:a month, yeah, probably so yeah, yeah, my kudos is for you too, obviously, hannah, you're amazing. Thank you so much for coming early today, because we didn't record a little earlier, um, and Bearing with us, since I was late because I had traveled twice.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I mean, I was late too, so Just the late squad.
Speaker 1:She was dramatic.
Speaker 3:Not me, um, and you're just amazing and I love your slutsher. By the way, I wish everybody could see her crew neck that she's wearing right now. It's hilarious, I love it. Um, and then obviously for you and stacey especially, um, stacey, she came early. She works today 12 hour shift and she got up early to come record before hand and stayed kind of late. Um, she's amazing and she made me that. I mean, she made me about a rebind of a court of thorns and roses and it's freaking beautiful.
Speaker 1:We'll have to post about it, I know? Yeah, we'll definitely post it because it's it's gorgeous.
Speaker 3:She's an angel Um.
Speaker 2:I love you guys yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, do it, do it, do it.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, obviously you guys are having me here. This is really fun. I've never been on a podcast before, so Fun new things. But also um to my husband, david, because he drove me here today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he gets a kudos yeah he and the drive wasn't great.
Speaker 2:Honestly, it was pretty icy yeah because it started to snow today. The drive, yeah so. Yeah, it took a little longer than expected, but yeah, he's. I don't know where he is, he's driving around.
Speaker 1:If you see a man in a Honda, tell him to come back. That's hilarious, he gets a good kudos. Yeah, um, okay, do I get to say you get to know? Okay, thanks everyone for listening and we hope you read what you like. That was great.