The time is here, we are finally covering the EPIC story of "Manacled", by Senlinyu. Join us, Chanel, Stacy, Ashley as we journey into the layers of this incredible fanfiction.
Magic is more than just wands and spells; it's about the emotional bonds that form in its shadow, the sacrifices made for love, and the strength found in the midst of a war-torn world. We dissect the moments of vulnerability that bring characters like Hermione and Draco to life, moving from the strategic tension in war council meetings to the intimacy of their blossoming relationship.
Warning:
This work is dark. Rape and non-consensual sex are a significant and ongoing aspect of the plot. There are also character deaths, psychological trauma, descriptions of battlefield violence, and references to torture. Reader discretion is advised.
Author's Note:
The characters in this story are not mine: they belong to JK Rowling, whom I happen to not be. The initial inspiration of this plot occurred when watching the first episode of The Handmaid’s Tale. In homage there are elements of it maintained throughout the story. The title High Reeve was drawn from Lady_of_Clunn’s use in her story Uncoffined.
This story diverges from canon following the conclusion of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
Summary:
Harry Potter is dead. In the aftermath of the war, in order to strengthen the might of the magical world, Voldemort enacts a repopulation effort. Hermione Granger has an Order secret, lost but hidden in her mind, so she is sent as an enslaved surrogate to the High Reeve until her mind can be cracked.
***Produced by Jen Hardin***
The time is here, we are finally covering the EPIC story of "Manacled", by Senlinyu. Join us, Chanel, Stacy, Ashley as we journey into the layers of this incredible fanfiction.
Magic is more than just wands and spells; it's about the emotional bonds that form in its shadow, the sacrifices made for love, and the strength found in the midst of a war-torn world. We dissect the moments of vulnerability that bring characters like Hermione and Draco to life, moving from the strategic tension in war council meetings to the intimacy of their blossoming relationship.
Warning:
This work is dark. Rape and non-consensual sex are a significant and ongoing aspect of the plot. There are also character deaths, psychological trauma, descriptions of battlefield violence, and references to torture. Reader discretion is advised.
Author's Note:
The characters in this story are not mine: they belong to JK Rowling, whom I happen to not be. The initial inspiration of this plot occurred when watching the first episode of The Handmaid’s Tale. In homage there are elements of it maintained throughout the story. The title High Reeve was drawn from Lady_of_Clunn’s use in her story Uncoffined.
This story diverges from canon following the conclusion of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
Summary:
Harry Potter is dead. In the aftermath of the war, in order to strengthen the might of the magical world, Voldemort enacts a repopulation effort. Hermione Granger has an Order secret, lost but hidden in her mind, so she is sent as an enslaved surrogate to the High Reeve until her mind can be cracked.
***Produced by Jen Hardin***
Hi, this is Chanel. Hi, this is Stacey. Hey, nerds, this is Ashley and this is Fanfic. Fanatics, we're recording here, we are Happy. Well, when this episode comes out, it obviously won't be. But happy New Years Eve, guys. Yeah, what do you want to end the year with anyone else, honestly? So welcome back to our three part conclusion of Me and a Gold by someone new. Yeah, we hope you guys enjoyed the fucking Roller Coast. That was part two, ending the year, but Ella was great.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I loved having her on Ending the year depressed. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and a real low note. I mean it's a good fake. But 2023.
Speaker 1:It is a great fake. I guess I didn't realize, like, how unlifting it might be to end on it, but what did we end last year with?
Speaker 2:It was the auction, it was.
Speaker 1:Wow, so we picked dark A. You fix Germany. I mean, personally, I wouldn't want to end the year on anyone else other than Germany, but that's just. I love the auction, me. I love loves pick up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but why do we pick such dark stuff?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what would have been a good one to end on? Would have been like Draco mouth or Draco, mouth or an ordeal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, being in love it's so fluffy, that's a fluffy one. That's why I think that you guys would like a door love, another historical accidents, because it's pride and prejudice and has a lot of the great being like similar, being sure that you would see from more to find ordeal. Yeah, yeah, it's great. Yeah, so it's new with you guys. Anything new you want to hit before we dive into this part, feeling you're, feeling happy and, in the year, feeling on a low note where we at in the middle, well, we can announce our next thick for, oh yeah, this next month.
Speaker 2:I'm super excited.
Speaker 2:Hit it, chanel, it's my. It's not even a thick, it's a book. We're doing a book of the month. It's you again, by Kate Goldbeck, which I've already read and it was like one of my top reads for for this year, this past year, and so I loved it so much. I was like, guys, we got to do it for our, for our book of the month. So, yeah, if you guys haven't read it, you guys can now read it with us. Follow along. If you have read it, read it again with us because it's so good. I thought it was just a really great. It's like got fall vibes which obviously we've just come out of, but it also is like when Harry met Sally, kind of New Year's Eve which we're doing right now kind of vibes.
Speaker 2:you know it's here when Harry met Sally's a great New Year's Eve movie, so maybe I'll watch that.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen it. I hadn't seen it ever.
Speaker 2:I had to know.
Speaker 1:I watched it for the first time like six months ago because you got mad at me because I hadn't seen it. I like, so I'm playing this again. I cried watching it. Yeah, it's very, you would love it even because I love sleepless in Seattle. Remember you freaked out because I hadn't seen it.
Speaker 2:Oh my God. And it's like my favorite movie.
Speaker 1:It's like rom-com of all time.
Speaker 2:I think I've not seen sleep. Oh my God. Sleepless in Seattle. It's sleepless in Seattle is number one. But when Harry met, Sally is a close number two.
Speaker 1:I just love Sally in that movie.
Speaker 2:She's like especially for the time that movie came out she's like, like it's a progressive woman Very much she's like no hold for the 80s and then also I mean you got our girl Freaky Sorry, I'm joking, you got our girl. I'm like, yeah, I'm her new. Carrie Fisher is like her best friend in when Harry met. I can't believe you.
Speaker 1:Oh, and the wagon wheel table.
Speaker 2:That's the best part, she's like everyone thinks they have taste, but not everyone can have good taste. And anyway, their best friends is not even a spoiler, because it's been out for forever their best friends, harry and Sally, like their best friends. They try to. They like go on a double date, harry, sally, and then they're two best friends. And their best friends end up hooking up, which is Carrie Fisher and this other guy, even though they were supposed to be together together, and they like cross and end up and and so Carrie Fisher, and now her, like her husband, the guy in the movie, he has this like terrible wagon wheel coffee table and she's like we're getting rid of it and he's like, no, this is a classic, it's so great, it's hideous. He's like he's like I have impeccable taste. She's like, no, everyone thinks they have good taste, but not everyone can have good taste. Like I know some people can have good taste.
Speaker 1:I know two people who have really good taste. Only two to Bob and Chanel. It's the only about me. What about that ghost Bre I tried to wear? The guys would let me wear. It's the. It's like this coffee table. You're talking about Stacy. She thinks she has good taste. I wish everybody could see our studio slash Chanel's house. It's just like it's just good taste. The vibe is immaculate.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you it's because Bob helped me pick out half this stuff, or if he wasn't here actively like this coffee for this dining table, buying it with me, I like sent him a picture and I'm like should I buy this? Like I'm literally texting him right now and I'm like I hate my cutlery. What I need new, like knives for spoons. I'm like where should I buy him? And he's like telling me the best places. I always run everything by him.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna start running everything by Chanel that I buy. She'll just run by Bob. It's a couple checks, a couple checks.
Speaker 2:You need a good gay man in your life to aim in to her fashion and decor and everything, because.
Speaker 1:I remember the first time you took me to one of the Christmas parties at Bob's old house and I remember walking in and I was like, oh, this is good taste. I had never actually, you know like seen it before. It's like, oh, this is what tastes looks like.
Speaker 2:I was confused on what it actually was Like very good art and like expensive furniture. Not even expensive, it's just like good quality furniture.
Speaker 2:Well found, not matchy Like nice pieces I know, because even my mom I try to tell her about this Like she's into matchy, matchy. Like my parents bought a house. It's been like three years now, four years now, and like my mom's like very into, like contemporary, kind of like not industrial, but like more modern, and like everything had to be like her favorite colors blue and so every I don't know if you've I don't think you guys see my parents. I don't even think I sent you a picture of her living room. My mom's living room is my mom and dad's living room is nice and beautiful and very like modern and stuff, but like everything was like grays and blue and beige and but it all matched and like.
Speaker 2:And so my aunt, her sister, is an interior designer and one day she came in and she was like, okay, that's my mom, she's like no, this is like, it's just no too much. She like took my mom shopping and like got a whole bunch of. The biggest thing was because, like her, her couch and like her furniture was fine, yeah, but it was like she had like 20 vases, blue vases, like she's like okay, no, we have to like just get some nice like, yeah, just like side pieces like pop of color, different colors Just and just add some like greenery and just like very much make it more homely and stuff.
Speaker 2:And when she came in and added these extra like final details, it was so much better because it was just like straight blue and then cream.
Speaker 1:You like what you like, okay.
Speaker 2:It was so funny. Even I like I couldn't say anything, I was just like okay.
Speaker 1:So yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know how we got on this tangent.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Harry Metts Alley, you again you again.
Speaker 2:I'm going to watch it today.
Speaker 1:I think, yeah, watch it tonight. Oh, my God you got. Because I'm so excited. We're just hanging out, we're ordering a pizza tonight and we're watching a movie.
Speaker 2:That sounds amazing. The other thing is because of this book and also when Harry met Sally, because we, you know, we went to New York, we had to talk about you.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry that we bring it up all the time, but I'm not joking. That's probably my favorite trip I've ever been on. If I had to like I'm really sorry, I don't know how we had the best we lived in a room the size of a bathroom and we still had a great time.
Speaker 2:I don't even know how to describe it, and I ended every night in my bunk bed with my headphones on watching RuPaul's Drag Race.
Speaker 2:It was just perfect, it was okay, and actually that's when I started reading Manical, because it was like this time last year anyway. But before Ashley came out, I went to Kat's Delicatessen Deli. It's like the famous Deli and that's from the movie where she's, like you know, faking an orgasm and it's such a great Deli I'll have what she's having. Yeah, and they reference there's so many references to when Harry met Sally, so you need to watch the movie, so that by the time, Does it take place in New York City?
Speaker 1:The book, the movie when Harry met Sally.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love movies with New York City as the setting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they start in Chicago on a and then they road trip to New York City Like that's literally the first time.
Speaker 1:I've seen bits and pieces of it, but I haven't like sat down and watch it for anything tonight. And come over and watch with me. We'll get a pizza.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's so good, because literally I was like oh pizza sounds really good tonight.
Speaker 1:Come on over. Maybe, I will, maybe I will.
Speaker 2:The dogs will love it, stacey, oh man.
Speaker 1:Obviously Day 30 with Toby.
Speaker 2:I mean you're, you're invited to stop it, stacey, I love your eye.
Speaker 1:She hates that I have been stuck in the back. Did you tell Stacey where you made a reservation for? Were we gonna or were not supposed to tell her? We're having dinner at the Savoy in.
Speaker 2:London. Don't hit the mic, dude. That was a Toby move. That was a Toby move. You look like Toby. Right now it's Gordon Ramsay's restaurant and I don't care whose restaurant it is. I'm so excited and it's. We get to walk through the lobby to get to the restaurant.
Speaker 1:I'm not joking. Are you gonna wear an Oxford sweatshirt? What does an Oxford like?
Speaker 2:a crew neck this just says Oxford, yeah, okay, that's what he wears. That's what he wears.
Speaker 1:That's what in the chapter it's a big deal is he wears?
Speaker 2:mobile clothing. We can, we literally cannot wear a sweatshirt. It's a. It's a Michelin star restaurant. Okay Well.
Speaker 1:Jerkham out boy wore a crew neck and I know what's anything to say we can look. So I was like we cannot wear this is random Cause I was gonna wear. What about my ghost beret? So listen, listen.
Speaker 1:I started a bucket list because I don't have one. This is like part of like something I wanted to do for next year. I'm like I need to start. It's just to note my phone. I'm like I need to start a bucket list of when things come to me, so like I feel I feel it's ridiculous that I don't know. She wants to have taste. I'm going to put it on here have Bob's taste. But I only have two things You're either bored with it or you have it.
Speaker 2:I don't got it.
Speaker 1:Okay, I think that's kind of true. I mean, I don't have a taste either, so I say that with the nicest you need to find people, chanel, who have taste and they'll help you.
Speaker 2:No, that's actually true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you get friends, I have two. I only have two things on right now the very first one is resolution. I'm starting my bucket list, yeah, so I'm just sorry. It's part of like what I want to do for next year and I only have two on it so far. The first one is eat at a Michelin star restaurant. That's the first thing on my bucket list. I didn't know that was a Michelin star restaurant. The second one is to learn French, and I decided after.
Speaker 2:I was listening to remain nameless.
Speaker 1:I heard Trish speak French. I'm like huh, if I only happen.
Speaker 2:I gotta learn how to speak French.
Speaker 1:Okay, good luck, but those, that's all I have. But that's so fun. I didn't realize it was a Michelin star restaurant.
Speaker 2:No, we can't wear a crew neck, and yeah, you can't wear a crew neck in there, I was like have okay, have you actually looked at the menu? Because then I was kind of worried because, okay, this girl only eats burgers at restaurants.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you, there is something about cheeseburger.
Speaker 2:We went to a French restaurant in New York. She's like I'll have the cheese.
Speaker 1:Act like that wasn't the best cheeseburger you've ever had.
Speaker 2:You loved it that fancy restaurant.
Speaker 1:We went to buy the garage that like steak restaurant before we would see Renee wrap. Ashley ordered a cheeseburger instead of the steak.
Speaker 2:So I started thinking to myself there ain't no cheeseburger on this menu at the Savoy.
Speaker 1:Chanel, you like that cheeseburger at the French restaurant. It was good, but why?
Speaker 2:would you order it? But I got the duck and I'm like this is what you need to order.
Speaker 1:She was like a raw and moved order cheeseburger. She's gonna learn.
Speaker 2:French and be like cheese it's like a twilight. No, Robert Pattinson says to one. I think another panther when he's like cheeseburger.
Speaker 1:I've never seen the pink panther. It's really good. I love the pink panther we used to watch as a kid.
Speaker 2:That's gonna be you learning French. Awesome that you could order that.
Speaker 1:We do have to eat at another. It doesn't have to be as nice as that, but Jen wants to us have like one nice dinner out when we're together, I mean I think that Michelin star one might be just a tad nice.
Speaker 2:But yeah, well, that's what I was saying. It's like we can do that nice restaurant in the rest we can do like Thai.
Speaker 1:Chanel's got to have, like our time, our fancy date time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you can tell, tell Jen, it's a Michelin star and that should appease her.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're talking about Jen Harden I think Jen was like go to one nice restaurant. I can see her saying treat yourself. No, jen Harden wants us to go to, like I'm sure we will, a couple times but I think she wants to dress up a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I was thinking this is random, but I'm like looking at Pinterest. I'm trying to figure out what to pack because I'm wanting to not pack heavy but not underpack or anything, and we're going to Europe when it's chilly.
Speaker 2:I think I have a.
Speaker 1:I bought a pair of fleece line leggings. I think I want to buy another pair that's like more skin color because I have their black, and then I think I'm going to do skirts and like tights or something, Because I think it looks really cute and it's pretty warm. I wore it last night. We went out to dinner a sweater skirt and the fleece line tights and they were. They're not as bulky as like jeans looks like she's like. I don't fucking care, I'm sorry, I'm just letting you know. That's what's going on in my head. All right, let's get back on track.
Speaker 1:Stacey's eyes again are going to roll back at her head. I just have nothing to contribute to any of this conversation.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. All right, stacey, we can jump right in, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. So we ended part two with Hermione basically having a bunch of small seizures and she has a big seizure and we see like these little glimpses of memories and so then we or sorry that, yeah, yeah, yeah, so that was part two is like all of her flashbacks. So like chronologically it would have been like the beginning of everything happening and then she starts remembering Draco and the war and everything.
Speaker 1:And it was kind of cool to read it that way too, because then when part two ends, it's basically tells us, you know everything that she did that to the reason why she ended up in prison under Hogwarts, and so for the first part, I have that it's kind of like obviously, this overall panic when she comes to because not only she remembering we get the memories in order, but she mentions that like they're not in the correct order. So, yeah, so it's like chaos.
Speaker 1:It's chaos in her mind yeah, yeah, that's scary and so she can't like some of them are out of order and she's confused because now she wants to, she knows she loves Draco and she wants to trust him. But then all the memories of like her being in the servitude and then like the beginning, middle and like they're goodbye before part two, and it is like all in her mix.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's obviously that's so confusing as well, because you're like I know what I just went through and he like he rapes me. Now I'm pregnant by him. But wait, I have these memories and emotions coming back where I loved him and I cared about him and we had this connection and that's so confusing, right, like I can't, I can't even imagine. Plus, I'm also just kind of reliving the deaths of everyone, right, yeah, harry and Ron and remiss and Moody and Kingsley, like that's I hate, it's so traumatizing, I can't. I mean this whole book is so.
Speaker 1:it's like the trauma of it happening to her initially, the trauma of not remembering that it happened but knowing they're dead, and then the trauma of really living it. You know what I mean? It's crazy, but the main thing we learn is she's really upset because she thinks that Jenny is dead. Well, I mean, we think Jenny's dead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's like one of the first things that he says to her and I think that's in the hopes of like to calm her down a little bit. He's really afraid she's gonna have more seizures. Yeah, he's like Jenny's alive. So the first main quote that I liked from this part, pardon me. He says because basically she is just like completely overwhelmed, like she doesn't believe that Jenny's alive at first, when he tells her like she thinks this is some kind of ploy or something like keep her calm. And he's like no, she's alive and she had her.
Speaker 1:Son is James. And so the quote is he's a year and a half now. You're going to meet him soon. They're waiting for you. You promise, potter, you take care of them who have to hold on and get better, so you can go. And it's just really sad because you can already tell that he's like you need because she is definitely motivated by saving people. So he is like you don't care about yourself right now. If I give you this like goal that you're going to see them again, he's hoping it'll help make her want to get better.
Speaker 2:But I think it also shows that, like it really is real that he knew her in the past, like, like you said, because he knows that she's motivated, he knows that she made this promise to Harry, like, so, hopefully, like she can see that, like, hey, I'm telling you this thing and it's the truth and, like you know, believe me, because I'm giving you this information to show that I'm trustworthy, even, like, even though my actions haven't been trustworthy. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:No, I agree. So it's just and this is again. It's kind of like the first part. It's just like a really sad part that's happening. She's really ill from being pregnant. She can't eat or drink anything. Really she's since most of the time in and out of sleep and taking potions. But it is sweet that they say how attentive Draco is and like he's always like brushing her hair, trying to hold her, but slowly she is trying to get stronger, like that's. The first part of this is she wants to be better so she physically can't even get out of bed in the beginning it's so bad from the seizures and everything. So I'm like winded, this baby is just popped up.
Speaker 1:I was like you kind of sound like you did when you were pregnant with Toby and we were trying to record.
Speaker 2:I'm like winded guys, but I'm hanging in there, I'm not even moving. This baby just all of a sudden in appearance.
Speaker 1:So then I have in the notes the another quote and it says if they had time she could pick up the pieces. She could find him under the mask of high reef. Perhaps slowly she could find a way to become Hermione once more for him. She would try to find that person again, which I think is so sad, because on top of her knowing that she's just obviously not the same person and how could you be after everything that's happened she can tell like Draco won't stand close to her. He keeps up a lot of distance. The only time he's like touching her physically is when she's almost unconscious and like trying to care for her.
Speaker 2:Also like he doesn't really talk about the pregnancy right. Like he won't talk about the baby. He won't say anything about it, anything about it. Yeah, yeah, very, very cold, which doesn't help when you're like in this terrible position.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and she knows that they're on like running out of time with what's going to happen and that they just don't have a lot of time to get back to the place where they were before. Everything happened when she blew up, sussex, so see, and then she starts getting her strength back like she walks the library with him, and then I just put like, the main part in the beginning is they truly don't know how to act around each other because and it's very apparent she wants to like just forgive him and get back to the place they were before and he has a lot of self-hatred.
Speaker 2:Well, and also she's like a different person, like the library scene I don't know if you're going to go into it, but like he's like well, she likes books and you know she would like the library, obviously and but like now she has this agoraphobia so she's scared of like big places and the library is like huge, and so she goes there and just like instantly has like a panic attack and so she's different, not just because of the war, but like because of this traumatic event of being a prisoner and being like held captive, and so he's he also, like he said, just doesn't know how to treat her and she doesn't know how to treat him because she's like, is he the Draco from now or from the past?
Speaker 2:And it's yeah, and again, I don't know if you're gonna get into it also but she like hit it. They try to like have sex, or she tries to initiate like intimacy and and she ends up like clamming up and yeah, is she's like, just do it and like, and he's like no, like obviously you're you, you aren't okay, like right.
Speaker 2:He's like I'm not gonna, you know, do this to you again. And you know, even though you're like, consenting now like this, you something's wrong, like with you and it needs to be like.
Speaker 1:You need to be fully okay and fully like, yeah, mentally okay, with this hand, yeah which I think it traumatizes him too, because he doesn't be remind like she's just trying to push through something right.
Speaker 2:I mean it was traumatic for him too, like it wasn't something that he right yeah yeah, cuz he's like, literally the last time we had sex I raped you and then I got you pregnant. So he like, like you said, it's like he doesn't feel good about that. He was forced to do that. Essentially, she obviously was forced to do that. So it's like they're they're they're trying to get back to to where they were, yeah, during the war. It's just, it's just a terrible.
Speaker 1:It's a terrible but like one there's like little sprinkled cute moments, so like they're. He's leaving to go do something. He's leaving her room and she says be careful, draco, don't die. He froze there. They both pause.
Speaker 2:There was a pause and they both stood looking at each other, in the corner of his mouth, quirked up with the ghost of a smile right yeah, yeah, but like it still is, like it's like he acknowledges it, but then it's it's not like a hundred percent, where he's just like yeah, that used to be us, yeah, that, but like mm-hmm, again, we're not, we're not us um it's sad, it's really it is really sad and so him going to the library, him, them trying to, you can notice he's trying to keep his distance and she's trying to get closer.
Speaker 1:And then the truth comes out that he's playing on getting her out with Severus, and she figures out again he's not coming with her. I know, I know, and it's just like a really sad moment. Obviously it's very close parallel to like the second.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:Also, draco, are you stupid? Obviously he thinks that he can distract her for these like few weeks that, and keep a space and he even tells her he was hoping she wouldn't remember, because he just wants to get her out and like he's just, yeah, she, she figures out like his plan because she's so clever. His plan is Voldemort's dying eventually. People from like United States and stuff, the confederate they're going to come in and take over like nothing's working. He's lost control of, like you know, all these places, all the other like European, yeah, countries, and it's pretty much his strongholds, just Britain. And so Draco is like I'm the last piece, like as soon as I go down, like they're going to swoop in. I'm on to the high Reva's the only fear keeping him in power right now, and Hermione begs him to just like let her try to save him and the time she has, and he says yes, but it's totally just to a piece so you can tell so.
Speaker 2:And then the other thing that this I believe this happened actually in the first part he, like you said, the high Reva's the last, like because Voldemort's going down and he's not as strong. Draco is the high Reva, he back in, like I said, I think the first part had the whole time he'd been like anonymous, just you know, killing for Voldemort, working for Voldemort. But he had what Hermione had read in the newspaper was his name had come out in the papers. He'd given up his identity, yeah, and she was like oh wow, like everyone knows, I'm his concubine, blah, blah, blah. And so she put it together. Now that she's finding out his plan, she's like oh you, you're planning to turn yourself in, you're not coming with me. That was the reason that you are giving up your identity to everyone, because there's no reason to be anonymous anymore, because you're turning yourself in, you're gonna die, whatever. Yeah, this is super upset by this plan of him not trying to go into the off, into the sunset with her that's what she wants.
Speaker 1:She want, they want to save each other. And this was a really sad part too. When all this is happening, like these truths are coming out, she's figuring out he's gonna try to be a martyr again and like save her. She goes I did all this to try to save you. And he says back you didn't save me. He said when he finally seemed capable of speaking at all. You just put us in hell for two years, oh god.
Speaker 1:I know that was terrible, like freaking knife in the gut but it was like nice if, because he's so stoic and a lot of this, there isn't a lot of like declaration of how he's feeling mostly he's drunk or like and then it comes out that he's drunk. It takes a lot, you know what I mean and this part, he's like crying.
Speaker 1:He you know there's a lot of emotion there and he pretty much tells her, like was this your plan when you saved me? Like you got to be in a jail cell for almost two, two years. I searched everywhere for you, couldn't find you. I had to kill all these people looking for you. Him and Snape yeah, him and Snape did all this stuff. I mean he talks about how, like he put like genetic tracers found her parents they were fine, like cousins, all this stuff. And he goes and then I finally get you, I finally be back. You don't remember anything and then I have to spend like six months assaulting you and you're stuck in a house with my wife like almost killing you.
Speaker 1:My wife tries to take your eye out wanting you, tries to rape you, and it's just like yeah, oh yeah, he went off. He went off. It was he did he was. Yeah, I also like I thought it was so sad that she was always so close to that she was the whole time under his nose, like right there.
Speaker 1:Well, he mentions that he was in the cells at Hogwarts. He looked, but Umbridge had it concealed and she wasn't registered there. But and and it's not mentioned, it's not like highlighted as like a big part. But he says in that big monologue to her he was like I was in Hogwarts, I went through every gel cell, like when it first happened, and she wasn't there. I mean, she was there, but she wasn't there.
Speaker 1:You know damn, I didn't even know that, I didn't even know that's oh, he was just like let him be, just let him he's tired, and that's what he tells her. He's like I'm tired.
Speaker 2:I'm like I'm tired reading yeah yeah, when he said, when he said that I was like me too, bro, I was. I think I was crying at that point.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, and you're right, yeah and then it also comes out during that monologue that he pretty much tells her in his head he expects, when she escapes with Snape, that she's gonna like end the pregnancy and move on and like forget about him.
Speaker 2:It's really sad no, no, no wait wait, wait, say that one.
Speaker 1:Say it again. When he's doing that monologue of stuff, he pretty much tells her. When she escapes, he expects her to relate the pregnancy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah he expects her, but she's like I'm not doing that she's like are you insane?
Speaker 1:this is our child.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes okay.
Speaker 1:And then she tells him I would tell our child everything about you yeah, and all these great things. They would know you and yeah yeah, and he keeps trying to like step away from her, but the great moment is like she finally kisses him and like pretty much that terror which is very reminiscent of the first part, where it just took like this big um, upfront, like physical reaction from her like the kids or like when she slept with him in the first part, and then he's all in again.
Speaker 2:It's like all over again, you know and he in some big confession from him or some emotional breakdown from him.
Speaker 1:But yeah, yeah, and I know I can't, yeah and then this might be like my favorite quote from the whole series, but when this happens, he says I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry, I'm sorry for everything I did to you. He said his voice hoarse and broken I love you. You left and I never told you because he thought when she, when he loved to get Ginny, that he would come back and see her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he just had to say goodbye yeah, and that just took off. I blew up a prison, I know. So then this is when her research starts and she's like super intense. She's still bedridden, but she gets the books from the library and I'm like good for you, girl yeah, and I like it.
Speaker 1:I mean, I like the sense that she has like a purpose again, even though Draco doesn't think anything's gonna come of it. Yeah, yeah, but Stroud also visits again and this is the part where, like they find out it's a girl, she's like oh, I'm sorry, it's a girl and you're like just reinforcing gender stereotypes honestly, I know I I like, liked it because, I don't know, I felt like if it was a boy it just would have like been harder, or like I don't know?
Speaker 1:Well, did you guys? Do you remember how they addressed the boy thing?
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, I liked that yeah.
Speaker 1:I liked it too, where it was like because she sat at first that it's a boy and he's not. I guess there's some kind of magic on the bloodline that when they're you have to be married, though that the first child's always a male because the mouth boy line needs an heir, but because they're not married and it's like more not predetermined Possible yeah. So, while she thinks he's going to be disappointed, I think it's the opposite. I think he's elated that it's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because he's like this is like what would have happened or could have happened there, and so I like that's why I'm saying there's like more pressure to have a boy or to be a boy.
Speaker 1:I also think it's funny through this part and the second part, when it's mentioned that Hermione gets so jealous that he got married to Astoria and he was like I was forced to. And she was like yeah, but your wife like she's hurt that he would. I don't know, I just like that I know, this is what you're.
Speaker 2:This is what you're mad about, I know. Oh God, yeah, and okay, then can we get to. Is that the next part? Yeah, is Astoria the next part. It's close. Well, what happens?
Speaker 1:right before her. Is that someone comes back to the manor, oh?
Speaker 2:okay, oh, that person and then Astoria comes back and then Astoria comes back. Okay, I just was like shit's about to hit the fair, which it does.
Speaker 1:So of course, like which it does. So of course, like you do this, like it's not even a law for like two, like a lull is what I mean, but like you get two moments, like two paragraphs of like her just doing research, him doing the ass to do, and then it's just like boom, they're talking and Lucy's just a appears in the manor out of nowhere and he's like I've been recalled by the dark lords to come here.
Speaker 2:Well, it's because obviously Draco's like I want to say they think he's slacking, but he's purposefully evading and not doing his job. Because he's because well one.
Speaker 1:He's with Hermione so much because she's so ill, but he is also spending so much time playing with Severus to get her out and everything. So the dark lords sends Lucia said to find the last order member, which I just think he's fucking crazy, Like he's actually mentally. He's mentally ill, Like he's actually mentally ill, Like he's there for five seconds and he's already like torturing and killing like a centaur Frank they remember and it's just like traumatizing for everyone. He assaults Hermione the first time he sees her. It is just all very like.
Speaker 2:I feel like it actually is, very, like it's actually true to his character, because I think he's lost his wife, he's been imprisoned in Azkaban and now he's, you know, obviously been performing dark magic. I just feel like that that would mess with your mind, right, oh, I have to the grief, the how, like being in prison, footies, being imprisoned in Azkaban, right, we know it messed with Bellatrix. I just think, obviously, the dark magic messing with your magic in mind it who?
Speaker 1:knows what he would be like, and I think it's just it's similar in the sense that, like you think, if Hermione would die, the drake would probably lose it.
Speaker 2:And so it's the same like ever since Narcissa died.
Speaker 1:He lost it. But to circle back to her, I like that they bring up that portrait more that watches Hermione from her room. It's like a 17 year old Narcissa, but she never talks to her. But when the centaur is getting tortured, Drago didn't have time to account for that, so they can hear everything. Like he hasn't fixed the words to be sound proof or anything.
Speaker 1:And so Hermione is very upset but I love the scene of the portrait like comforting her, like they touch hands or you know, and when she's hearing the screams because they're both upset. The portrait's upset because we find out that she watched Narcissa be tortured. She was in the room that she was tortured.
Speaker 2:So the portrait is very protective of Drago, but also knows what happened for real to her loyalty and her love is she's set in a 17 year old mindset of Narcissa, so she loves Lucius first Yep, and over everything, over everything, over Drago, over, obviously, hermione, and so that is important to keep in mind later in the story. Definitely, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but then after this Hermione and Drago are actually able to like be physical and have sex and then Hermione in her head says it feels like he's saying goodbye again, like this is his way of, and she even mentions like she doesn't want to think about the last time that they were physical in that way to be a forced, like terrible situation.
Speaker 2:She doesn't want that.
Speaker 1:But then so Lucius gets there. It throws a wrench in everything. And then things get even worse, because just right after Lucius gets there we find out that Snape gets murdered by hags in Romania. Because they lose control.
Speaker 2:I freaking knew something was going to happen to Snape, because the whole time they just kept saying he's like Snape's going to help, snape's help. But like we never hear from Snape.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:We don't, he doesn't come, he doesn't, and I'm like where, where is he? What's happening? I just knew. I just knew something. Something was up with Snape, something was up and, yeah, they like revolted.
Speaker 1:Which is good because they're losing more control, but at the same time I just remember Drago's so annoyed he's like you do it.
Speaker 2:He was just like God, that fucking idiot. We can't even count on him. He's stupid. God himself killed him and I was just like dude. He was like it was just funny Maybe he was tired, drago, right, but it was just funny that like he's your godfather and like someone that you could count on through this whole war, and you like have no sympathy for him, which also just goes to show his like obsession with Hermione, yeah, which has to do with his runes. It's just like all consuming, yeah, and like I don't know. He's like well, I'll have a plan B, like that was just one of the many plans. I was just like oh my God, you're ruthless.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this one constant person, but he's like pretty much he's so stupid he survived. He survived two Wizarding Wars To die at the very tail end of this one by a bunch of fucking hags Like he is pissed, he is pissed.
Speaker 2:He's so mad, he's so mad.
Speaker 1:So I thought that was really hilarious.
Speaker 2:I thought it was funny, but again I was just like, oh my God, rip, yeah, rip my voice.
Speaker 1:And so all this is happening. Drago thinks he's being so clever Like. He thinks he's keeping his father distracted. He thinks he's like keeping Hermione distracted with something that can't be fixed. He doesn't know that. I mean, he knows that she's so clever, his wife's on the way. Yeah, he's figuring all this stuff. Well then. But then you realize that part was in his head. So then a story gets recalled because there's going to be a party, and she doesn't think it'll look right if there's this like reunion of it's like the two year anniversary of the end of the war. Right, yeah, two years. And so she has to be like anyone could care less at this point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's like the wife of the high-rate and Lucia's fucking hates her. He just hates her. He thinks she's useless.
Speaker 2:She didn't produce an heir, which is just typical of that character, I think.
Speaker 1:So he knows that she's barren, so already he's like your wife is useless.
Speaker 2:She's annoying.
Speaker 1:And they get into fight. And what happens in the fight? Ashley, how do they gazebo? When I read this I was like, oh damn, like I thought something was going to happen to Astoria. I just didn't think it would be Lucius that just like kills her How's the killer, you remember? He's like cuts her head off, cuts her head off, yeah, in front of Hermione, in front of all of them. I honestly, I had to. The first time I read it, I had to go back and read it because I was like what Wait?
Speaker 1:why? Like it was just like he was, like Jericho doesn't even care, yeah, Like not even face. Not even face it was.
Speaker 2:I didn't have to read that part. I had to reread the part where Hermione's like that was part of your plan. You knew she was coming back, you knew she would be in the manner with Lucius and you needed a way to get her out of the way. Yeah, like to, because you can't. You know you can't divorce in like wizarding society and he needed to not be. In order to quote unquote be with Hermione.
Speaker 1:Well, and let's face it, he was going to kill her anyway, like after she started to pop her eye out. Like people have done less to Hermione, he's killed him, so I'm sure he was just done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it was a way to like be with Hermione, get her out of the way and and I mean he's his father's on the hinge.
Speaker 1:I think the main thing that we can take away from part three is Draco thinking he's being clever, coming up with all these plans and then nothing going the way he thinks. So then he, so he and it said it's like oh, there's a win, a story is out of the way, even though Severus is dead. You know, a story is out of the way. Well, he thinks he's been keeping Hermione away from Lucius. He has like over 80 wards on her door Anytime. He. He just thinks he's so clever like Lucius has forgot about her. So he is out of the country again. Draco is, and pretty much they have this deal that she has to eat and then she can like read and research.
Speaker 1:And so I knew something was going to go on because so okay this is what I thought was going to happen.
Speaker 2:I knew Lucius was going to try to get to?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he had to remember when Draco comes back and he's really hurt one time and like the door rattles and Hermione's like like someone's there, like she hears, and then the door stops rattling and it's Draco like half dead on the other side of the door and she ends up like healing him. And then I think that's when they first like had sex again, like potentially for the first time. I thought it was Lucius on the other side of the door trying to get it and like he was like uh, polyjuice, is Draco to get to her? That's what I thought it was. That was I was like. I was like don't open the door, don't trust him.
Speaker 2:Like I was like you should have like checked that it really was Draco. Like I was like this is the trick, this is, but it was a totally different trick, go ahead.
Speaker 1:You guys know, I was just gonna say, that was my. I didn't see it coming, I didn't see it coming, but I was.
Speaker 2:I thought it was a different way I was like I was looking for it, but it wasn't how I thought it was going to be, If that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Like he gets her, and it's so simple it almost makes you want to laugh.
Speaker 1:Like Draco puts all these words to keep her calm, to keep people out, and all he does is put a porcupine spoon like a spoon, that's a porcupine, and so as soon as she touches it to eat, she which is terrible she gets sucked into that cage. But Lucius doesn't know Remember, it's kept from him the whole time what happened to Narcissa, like he didn't even know that she was like cruciate, like that, or tortured for all those months because he was an Ascoban and they hid it from him.
Speaker 2:But well, I was just thinking. The other thing is she's pregnant, she can't be pork king. Yeah, so she's like one that's already bad for her baby. But then I thought the other stuff he does to her. But I was just like, instantly, that's not good for the baby. She's like eight months pregnant.
Speaker 1:I didn't know what was going to happen. This part is really sad because they talk about how he's not a good legitimate. How do?
Speaker 2:you say it.
Speaker 1:Legilimens, like drakelois, and so he's just destroying her mind and it's so fragile. It makes me so sad, because she is aware, with it enough to know that he is just, and he is specifically just looking for, like he's trying to find, the last order member.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think this was clever because I didn't know how it was going to go the first time I read it and she was like I'm just going to tell him the truth, uh-huh, that she's the last order member and at first he doesn't believe her about, like Draco and everything, but then he sees she starts pushing memories of Narcissa on him yes.
Speaker 2:Because she's like he's destroying my memories.
Speaker 2:And so that kind of Slows him down. It slows him down and it it ends up in the end it's good because Saves him. It's yeah, it stops him and he's like he's reliving everything with Narcissa. Obviously that's his like Achilles heel, right, yeah, like her and seeing Because, you're right, he didn't know she was tortured he's seeing the memories of Draco telling her about Narcissa, what happened to her, her torture, being tortured, her eventually, you know, going crazy, blah, blah, blah, and he's like he pulls out of her mind and is like, oh my God, and then she ends up confessing that Draco was a spy the whole time and that flips, he flips out. But now her brain is just like Crazy, like crumbling, she's like going into overload. She thinks the baby is obviously from this separation, is, you know, in distress.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And Well, and also she. She's locked in this room, by the way. She's in a cage and she's trying to escape, to get to the door, and and he like then it's a physical attack to you, Like he hurts her, she can't get to the door. Oh, because the door is like it burns her hand, it burns your hand. So she can't get out of the door and then Draco finally shows up.
Speaker 1:After all this, plus the room we fit I forgot to mention before this, hermione has figured out how to take the dark mark off, but she says she needs Phoenix tears and how rare it is to get them. Yeah, but once Lucius learns the truth because he is still loyal to the dark board, like he has no idea that Narcissa was tortured by him, she thinks that that's Drake. He thinks that that strike was motivation is to be the next Lord Voldemort, like he is unaware. And so once this happens, I feel like there's this huge shift where he's like well, what am I even living for at this?
Speaker 1:point I basically given my whole life for this man who killed the one thing.
Speaker 2:I care about, and obviously my son is. He doesn't believe in the cause anymore.
Speaker 1:I mean so the only what is nice about this part is then we find out that Lucius has Phoenix tears. He's had them for a long time. It's like passed down through the bloodline. It was like a president from centuries ago and he pretty much offers up a trade.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so now he's trapped, so Draco gets her out. He's. Lucius is trapped now in that cage and With the portrait.
Speaker 1:Draco gives him the portrait. That's one of the deals of the trade Is that he can talk to the portrait and hear more about the truth, because the portrait witnessed everything, and then they get the unicorn. I mean like things literally go from like research or research zero to 60.
Speaker 2:I know so quick in this part and the other part of the trade. They get the tears, he gets 10 minutes alone with Hermione and, yes, the portrait and yeah. Draco's like fuck.
Speaker 1:No, he doesn't want to yeah. I do it, but I think Hermione knows it's pretty much just Lucius guaranteeing that Hermione is going to get Draco out.
Speaker 2:I feel like this is a lot of parallels to the auction where Lucius wants to talk to Hermione. Obviously she's doing like research for for something you know yeah library, but it's why I like it. It's, I don't know, lucius and Hermione. They I think they, I don't know they're good like rivals, are good opponents and so like them always having a good or even in the right thing to do, you know, like I think that's what it was where they like had like a sit down right in the ask a man and and now that's what the parallel to the manacle I was like.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's them sitting down having a talk. This moment yeah like upfront about what's going on and having this like 10 minute conversation, and she's just like this is what happened. We're getting out. I love him, I want to save him, that's my only goal. And and he's like, oh, I care about his nurses.
Speaker 1:But what's nice is he's like to make this work. It has to look like to make it work and after, during those gone, it has to look like everyone's died and Lucius is like done, I'll make sure I'm 10. So then this may be thinking you guys, because they talk about how it's pretty much a surgery that she's doing just with the wand. Can you imagine the pressure? She hasn't had magic in years. Like two years she hasn't had any magic. That's why it took a minute.
Speaker 2:Yeah her to kind of like reorient herself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it takes two wizards to get the manacles off, like to doing dark magic. So at first you're like well, how's your equity? These off of her. Now that's named instead, Well, Lucius helps him. So she gets it off, she gets her magic back. Can you imagine the pressure to be like? I know you've been in a healer in two years or even touch magic. You need to do this complex never been done.
Speaker 2:They have 20 minutes before the dark Lord realizes her manacles are off or before he realizes his. Her manacles are off and like she has that that time to remove his dark mark.
Speaker 1:But our girl does it Of course she does, so she gets that. Basically, the less complex version is the reason the mark can come off is because if you try to cut it off, it'll grow back, or if you cut the arm off you'll bleed to death. So basically, with the Phoenix tears, she cuts the arm off and it stops the bleeding enough that he can live, but it's he's still like close to death, yeah, and he has to stay awake. You can't stun him to do it. So the scenes, really quick they take his arm off and then they take off on the the is it vessel? Yeah, to fly to the safe house and I thought it was like similar.
Speaker 2:I don't think it actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't think of what what they're called. I don't mean to pin your foot. I do, but I don't fight um, I forget what they're called, but they're giant winged horses. Yeah, take them off. And as they're flying over the manor, which is perfect full circle, for Lucius is terrible character is that he starts the? Um, the fire in the manner the same way that narcissus died.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he gets time with that portrait.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he just just ends, and then I thought this was actually perfect, because it goes from like so much chaos to pretty much just like the calm. They end up in a safe house and they just sleep for like days, just some random. They're still in Europe and they just have to rest enough. But it's basically them sleeping and her checking his arm and they can't, but she, they both really can't believe that they're like free yet and together, and together, and then finally he shoots, reunited with Ginny.
Speaker 2:I know they're like in this island off of Japan yeah um and Draco's like set up this house essentially, and James is there and he's like this little two-year-old and he's feral.
Speaker 1:It makes me think of Toby, just like crazy wild and, um, it's hard.
Speaker 1:I really had a hard time with Ginny's character in this. I mean, I understand where she's coming from. She there is no love there for Draco and, as in the beginning especially we find out, draco wasn't overly kind to her being there, he didn't care. But Ginny and her had this conversation where, like Ginny says he's been dropping off stuff since the very beginning, even when he couldn't find her. Then he found out Ginny finds out that she came back and then he stopped coming because he was monitored more. But Ginny finds out that like he had been assaulting her and she's pregnant, so she slaps him and Hermione's pissed and it's just like a very tense, complicated situation to walk into after such a physical like thing they had been dealing with for so long with them.
Speaker 2:I bet it's. It's hard to me, ginny, like yeah, I mean, she knows that he's killed all these people. She knows like to be on the outside. You just don't know what their relationship is like. And now you're like, yeah, it's hard to put that together. I can't.
Speaker 1:I can't even imagine, I can't even imagine and I can see why she wouldn't want that for her friend and she tells her a couple times like she can do better, she doesn't have to be with him, and how intense their relationship looks from the outside, which would make sense. But I also think it's very sweet that like the first two or three weeks they're there Ginny says they hibernated, like they very rarely leave the room, they just sleep. Draco sleeps for like four days straight or something crazy. It said yeah, yeah. And then the main, the main part there is then she finally goes into labor like she has the baby, and even before she has the baby Draco seems very distant. So she makes Draco promise that he's gonna love this baby and care about it, because Draco doesn't care about anything but her, which is mostly his possessive behavior, but also the ruins, I think. So she's like no, you like have to care about this baby.
Speaker 2:I thought that was so powerful because it shows that she understands that Draco can't or shouldn't, or was starting to become like his dad and and she's like you can't, you can't be like. You really have to make a conscious choice in an effort, because we're not gonna end up like your parents, we're not gonna end up like repeating this pattern and and I really like the fact that he doesn't yeah he breaks it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he has such a great relationship with his daughter and then I just I loved it, like because he, he could have gone down that path and I think that I just that shows growth. You know what I mean. Like, yeah, despite, like you know, ginny being like or everyone saying you know, like he's this terrible death eater.
Speaker 1:It's like, you know, I don't know, there's multiple sides of everyone, but I love that point, because a great quote when all this is going on is Hermione says she reached out, took his hand and her 20 in their fingers. If I could change the past I'd save you every time because he mentioned and it would be easier if he just like wasn't there, he doesn't. I get the sense that he doesn't think he'll be a good father because of all the stuff he's done. Oh, they named the baby Aurora, by the way, aurora Rose Malfoy, and she looks just like Hermione, but she has Draco's eyes in his mouth, which is beautiful. Um, so then they kind of just like adapt to life on the island for a few years. After that, draco really connects with the baby. Um.
Speaker 1:Aurora and James are like best friends, super close. Um, ginny makes Ginny and Draco make up enough into the sense that Ginny has James called Draco, uncle Draco, like it's more civil, they like get along more. Um. But then Ginny finally hits a point when James is older where she's like I need to go do something. The international confederation that's what they're called finally takes over Britain. It's been like two years after they've had Aurora trials begin, and then you can see which is so true and powerful like government mirror of government instead of them being like.
Speaker 1:We need a complete overhaul of this, like pure blood society and everything. The trials are showing that they're siding with the pure bloods, like on these trials for the pure bloods, and like what's happening. They're trying to just blame it on certain followers and Voldemort and all this stuff. And so surrogates are going I have been going on trial and those who want to keep their children some are getting taken away and giving to the relatives of the pure of the guys who rape them.
Speaker 2:Yes, because it's their pure blood line. Yeah, so they're getting stripped from the mothers. Yeah, some are getting, some get to keep the babies and some just don't want. They don't, they don't want them if they're so traumatized. But it's like. The point is that it it doesn't, um, it's not up to the mom so it who actually?
Speaker 2:are having these babies and, um, it's like you said, it's just so traumatizing and terrible and it's just fucked. But that's that's. That's society. Sometimes, well, but it's also it. There is not an overhaul of saying, like, voldemort is a legit bad guy. This should never happen again. We, we should fix this. Everyone should be equal. It's. It's literally just like sweeping everything that happened under the rug and we should just go. It was a few bad apples being back to was.
Speaker 1:So I do like Jenny's character in this and I think it speaks true of her character. She's like absolutely not, I have to go back. Her mind he can't ever go back and speak for herself. She doesn't want to, but I can. And she wants to kill.
Speaker 2:Voldemort for for sure, because for sure he's holed up in um Hogwarts, yeah, and he hasn't. He hasn't officially died, he's just like decaying kind of they're just letting him.
Speaker 1:They've like put up like barriers, barriers around. They're like we'll just let him die at Pete, like at his own pace.
Speaker 2:Yeah and instead of like hauling it out as like a, you know, legit prisoner?
Speaker 1:yeah, and I guess there's a curse on him that if he dies the castle will crumble around him and everyone's just like it's too much of an effort, we'll just pretend this never happened and we'll just let him slowly die. And Jenny's like absolute absolutely not so. She leaves, which I think also shows how she's grown to trust Draco, because she leaves James with them. She was like I can't take him with me, um, because no one even knows she's alive or that she has a kid, and so they. So she leaves. So back to Britain to do that and it takes a while she had Bill de bomb hurt.
Speaker 2:Hermione teaches her mm-hmm Bill de mom and she goes and blows up the castle and kills him which I love.
Speaker 1:That the art for that I love they are is great gives me chills. Mm-hmm. I love. I love stories where Jenny kill, which happens a lot. I love stories for joining kill for the more.
Speaker 1:It just feels like full circle for it does, because it's like Harry supposed to, but yeah, his girl does so she kills him, she starts stepping up, she ends up taking a teaching people joke as soon as he's dead and all the stuff. Well then, who? They want to destroy Hogwarts at Fortford? She's like, absolutely not, that's where Harry felt at home, he'd want it saved. And people joke well, who's going to teach the dark arts? And she's like I will. And so when I read that scene I'm like, oh no, she's going to go. Well, now she's going to go back, of course, like she's done all the stuff she wants to be helpful. She's not going to stay, she can go back. She doesn't want to stay hidden this island. So she comes back when James is six.
Speaker 1:So Aurora is like four five yeah, three, maybe three, maybe, yeah, but, um, she tells Hermione the scene even though I feel like she has grown to understand Draco. She again one last time says you should come with me, you could tell your story. I think it would be okay. Um, you deserve better than Draco. Like you don't need to suffer your life here with him. You and Aurora can go back and she's like absolutely not like which fair, like they have done enough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which Hermione tells her before she leaves to go do that anyway. Like maybe someone else should do something. Now, you know, yeah, so that's really hard. They they talk about after they leave because James goes to. Yeah, aurora and James are so close. Um, hermione doesn't go a lot but it talks briefly about how Draco takes her to parks and stuff. But she doesn't play with kids because she knows she can't slip up and first say that she's a wizard. She can't talk about her parents. Draco has to glamour himself, obviously because he's infamous. So it's just like a really tough time, I think, for their family and all that going on.
Speaker 1:But like they have each other yeah yeah, and it's not terrible like Hermione she starts making an arm for him yes, I love that yeah yeah, that was so cool and I also think it's interesting. She makes his arm and how great it is off technology based off the manacles so those full circle and he doesn't like it at first but she tells him like all great, she was all terrible. Things can be turned pretty much turned into something good yeah, which I liked um in bed, so like wand into his arm and he can, like, use magic, yeah, so oh, I forgot to mention.
Speaker 1:This is okay. I forgot to mention to go back when, when Ginny comes back and she's trying to get Hermione to come with her, ginny says something to the fact of like well, you guys are in love, but like look, how terrible it's been. This is really great. I like we know you're in love, but look at all this terrible stuff that's come from it pretty much yeah and your love caused this war your love did this, um, but then Hermione says she looked down at her onyx ring on her hand for several seconds before she spoke.
Speaker 1:Love isn't always as pretty or as pure as people like to think. There's a darkness in it sometimes. Drake and I go hand in hand. I made him who he is. I knew what his runes meant when I saved him. If he's a monster, then I'm his creator. What do you think was the source of all of his rage? I will fucking cry again right now because it's true. Like it's true, though. Like I think no one, not no one. I think Ginny just thinks Hermione's this amazing person and there's no darkness there. But truly, all of Draco's rage came from trying to save her and, like everything that she did, the fact that she saved everyone else first before she could try to save him yeah, also.
Speaker 2:yeah, I don't think we know Hermione's story, but, like Ginny doesn't know Hermione's story, like the people that she's killed or or the terrible thing she's done before for Draco you know what I mean Like you said, she thinks she's such an amazing person which she is.
Speaker 1:She is yeah. She doesn't have the full picture.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you know what?
Speaker 1:I mean and I think it's just hard for people who aren't I think Draco and Hermione's really should be so intense in this. Anyone on the outside would have a hard time understanding the intensity of of it. To that extent, I think an honorable mention for the intensity is. Also should be noted that Draco finally did kill Healer Stroud. Do you remember?
Speaker 2:She was like are you just gonna go back and kill everyone? He's like no, I just had to do this one. Kill everyone who looked at me wrong. That's what she says, or something. Yeah, he was like you know, she was terrible, she deserved to die and she's the last one.
Speaker 1:I swear babe. Yeah, no more, no more. I forgot about that. I thought so. Then they spend really good years in the island. Um, hermione slowly gets over it, like not be being able to be in open spaces. Um, aurora goes to school in New Zealand. Um, because, because Aurora asked when she's going to school, can she go to school in Britain? Hermione tells her you're, a lot of bad stuff happened. There's no way we could visit you in Hogwarts.
Speaker 1:Like there is no way, and when she's 17, though, she is leaving for home. It talks about how they're at um like a train station, and they hint that she's going to Britain because of James. Draco is so annoyed.
Speaker 2:Well, she has a job at Green. Guts. She has a job at Green Guts and. James is a uh, or of course, yeah.
Speaker 1:But even so, she has somebody trying to leave and Hermione says to Draco well, you know why, she's really going there, right, and he doesn't say anything. But you can just see, is this like his look of resignation and just staying on his face.
Speaker 2:I just like it. I still haven't read that, the follow-up. I have another, but I need to. It's really I'm just like really great they got together and yeah, I'm just like I just know they had like a happy ending and yeah, they do. I'm happy for for the two of them. You know they're cute and oh, but you obviously have to tell what happens, or are reading the book. Yeah, so sad.
Speaker 1:So then, oh, but what's really great is so, after the look of resignation, or whatever Hermione says to Draco, the train station, what do we do now? Like she's gone?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And he says whatever you want, for as long as you want, and it's like yeah not that they're happy ending isn't raising a kid together, but they're, and they're true is just like they can be together alone, and they don't have to do anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Which I love, and so that's pretty much their end. And then the last epilogue, like the last two pages, I hate it so much. I know Aurora goes to Green God says where she's going to work and Jenny's there and James they're all grown, you can tell there's connection between James and one is really sad. They're walking to Flourishing Bolts and Hannah Abbott sees Aurora and she calls her Hermione and it really made me tear up the first time I read it, because Hannah was the first person in the first part really that you see. And then to end, kind of that, there's a lot of good full circle moments in this story. Full circle is that she sees Hermione's daughter. Doesn't know it's her, but they look exactly the same. They say that Aurora is like a black descendant which can account for, like whatever how she looks. So they go to Flourishing Bolts and there's a new book.
Speaker 1:An author is written who's related to Belinda Belinda was her but filled the bagshot yeah who wrote Hogwarts of History and she wrote a book about the war and of course I almost said Hermione. Aurora gets it and like immediately looks up Draco's part and it talks about how he's like soul is. I guess there's the book all about the high reeves and how he's just a monster, which is terrible. And then, very back of the book, there's like one mention of Hermione. It's like one paragraph and she's completely erased from history and it's basically it's the picture from Christmas, from part two of her Harry and Ron, and it says that she was non active and that she didn't fight it. Just it'll break your soul because it's so sad. You know, that's what Hermione wanted, maybe not to be forgotten, but she just didn't want to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But it's just sad because Aurora says it's not fair, she doesn't deserve to be not remembered because she did everything.
Speaker 2:She did so much. It's really sad.
Speaker 1:I'll cry if I think about it too much. Yeah, so sad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I go between being sad and being mad, yeah, but it also is just. I think it's also really poignant because there's so many groups and so many people within a whole bunch of different wars that weren't remembered or weren't documented. And you guys haven't read Yellow Face, but actually in Yellow Face it's about an author writing a book, and the book she's writing in there is about this Chinese like infiltrate this, this Chinese military group fighting during like one of the World Wars. And you're like I didn't know there was Chinese, you know military groups in the World War. Like during the World War it was just like the Allies, it was just America and Germany and Britain. And you're like, yeah, no, there was actually Chinese troops.
Speaker 2:And so it's so interesting to be like, oh yeah, these people were not documented, they weren't written about. Like it's an even like during. Like are some of our world or some of our civil wars like there's like black, you know, medical group, and I was just reading a book about African American medicine. There's like all of these medical troops of like black again, you know armies and stuff that went out there and none of them were documented. Yeah, like it's so insane that they just like aren't in the history books like documented and I don't know. It's just. I think it's very, like I said, reminiscent of things that have been.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like we don't know a lot of what happens in history, like history books are always accurate.
Speaker 1:And yeah, like what the history is pretty much shown from this is that Hermione did nothing, that she was just like a healer and then she just died at the manor with Draco and never did anything. And you know, I think Jenny wanted to change that but Hermione didn't want her to. He found out, which is fair, but I don't know if he has ball of sin lin you on tumblr to know there's a few of her stuff like what happens.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you've seen it. So she says that manacal this technically Aurora writing what happened.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think you did yeah.
Speaker 1:So that Hermione and Draco can have their real story told, which I think is really beautiful. But she doesn't write it until this is really sad. So you have said, when people ask her questions, that Hermione doesn't live a super long time compared to most wizards, that she dies when she's like 80, 80 something, 80 something, that her memory is super terrible and that she passes away and Draco just stays pretty much alive, long enough to say goodbye to Aurora and you know. And then he passes, like the day after, because he can't live without all cry, because he can't live without her. And so then, after they pass, that's when she writes. She writes manacal to like said it straight, she waits, sold her parents pass, which was their wishes. And then there's a short story which is like a chapter long and it follows up with James and Aurora and their relationship and it's and they're together and they're together. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2:That's what they say.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, overall, what are how you guys feeling after this journey? I would say it's a journey. It's a journey, it's a great story, yeah, it's great it is.
Speaker 2:It's like so well written and, like we already said, thought out and yeah, it's no wonder people love it. It's just so sad what do you guys think?
Speaker 1:Do you think it's a happy ending? A sad ending in between? Like, what are your? What people at? Like, if people, if you someone would ask this is have a have a happy ending, what would you say? I mean happy in the sense that, like they do end up together and they can like live out their lives together.
Speaker 2:But I mean I think it's pretty sad and like I would say for the most part, I would say happy ish happy ish.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like that happy ish. Happier than I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I didn't. I couldn't see a way for them to be together.
Speaker 1:I couldn't either. I really thought Draco was going to die.
Speaker 2:Oh, I thought she was going to die, like I was like she's not, she's not getting out, he's not getting her out. I don't even think about what was going to happen to him, but I was like he's not getting her out.
Speaker 1:I guess in my head when I first started to I was thinking, oh, it seems so impossible that Draco is going to get out. In my head I was like, either, I am glad that they both lived. I didn't think both of them were going to live when I first yeah, like I didn't think it was. Yeah, I thought one of them would die.
Speaker 2:So I would say happy ish.
Speaker 1:like you guys, I thought for sure, but I like that they didn't. I think that this was the best ending could hope for. Yeah, for the story. Yeah, I was like she's died at childbirth or those something.
Speaker 2:manacles are not coming on like something. Something is going to happen, yeah. So yeah, we'll take it. We'll take it. Do you want to say, like I don't know, our favorite part from part three, or I don't know?
Speaker 1:I would have to say personally from this part, one of my favorite parts it's there's so much that happens, so it's kind of like just this small little part, but like we were just saying how they're at the train station or or is leaving to like start her life in Britain, which she has always wanted to do since she was little. You can tell to like either with James, and I think that there's this underlying like that's where her parents are from, that's where everything happened. She used to go off and do that. My favorite part is probably when she's flying the nest and Draco and Hermione are just there and she's like what do we do now? Like I said, and he's like whatever you want, for as long as you want. That's probably my favorite part, because I feel like that's their true happiness. They. They love their daughter, obviously, but their intensity is each other.
Speaker 1:I was like, that's what they thought that's all they ever wanted, yeah, and they got it.
Speaker 2:So I'm gonna take it.
Speaker 1:What's your favorite part of her or her favorite part of the story in her head, chopped?
Speaker 2:off, I did love that I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1:No, it's not really my favorite that obviously this isn't my favorite. It isn't isn't favorite part because the last line that she was an unactive member of the order and did that fight.
Speaker 1:I just think it's so iconic, though, like yeah, when everyone knows it, when everyone, when a book has something like that, that like you feel like you're like emotional one way or another about it. I just think that's like really special for a book to be able to be able to do that, and it makes it really sad and like anger at the same time. But I mean it just so iconic. Well, how many? I mean, I just love any book that can make you feel anything that intense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's one sentence.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I hear it and, like I, have so many emotions about it.
Speaker 2:So like it's my favorite part.
Speaker 1:I just think it's really special that, yeah, that book or that has that kind of effect on everybody. It seems like. I do also love, though, that when Jenny kills, of all the more. Oh, so great artwork that's with it, like she drags his body out. She's like absolutely not, you just die on your own terms.
Speaker 2:That's my, that's literally my favorite part. Yeah, I almost cried right now when you're talking about it, stacy. Before, like that's my favorite part, I didn't cry the whole entire third part. I read that, but when, when they were talking, I was like, yeah, like you can't just leave him, you can't leave him to just die like that. Yeah, and the fact that it was Jenny, the fact that she was willing to risk her life, she's like she almost died.
Speaker 1:they said they all, I mean almost everyone died who went in there except for her, and like five people came out.
Speaker 2:I was like, yeah, it was so powerful. I felt like that was my favorite part.
Speaker 1:Overall. Using the story like that's such a great word for it is so powerful. People feel so many emotions. That's why people love it so much, good or bad. Any book that can make you cry or laugh out loud or like fill this stuff afterwards is pretty great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah special, great.
Speaker 1:So okay, let's do kudos. I want to go first for kudos, so just because I'm sure it's always be similar, so I feel better when I go first. But it's the end of the year so I think of like all the end of the year stuff and I just I want to kudos I mean, my main kudos are you guys. I know we say it every time, so I'll just make this part quick, but you literally made a lot of the hard parts of the year super enjoyable.
Speaker 1:Speaking of worth me yeah, worth me, it brings a lot of joy to me a lot during our times and obviously I'd like to kudos my son, toby, for being the craziest part of my life, to make me really have a crazy good, and basically just everyone who brings so much joy. I mean, I thought you go on and on since the end of the year, but obviously our producer, jen, who's new, just helping us get better quality. Overall she's such a good presence. You know, cool for taking our photos only for all the people who've been guests and you all.
Speaker 2:You know all. You're just stealing my kudos right now.
Speaker 1:Well, we're gonna do my name Stacy and I had the best kudos we're gonna do it, we can do our.
Speaker 2:We'll look back. So don't do it totally now. I'll just do it again. It's fine, yeah, yeah. So I was like don't try to stack it all in my kudos.
Speaker 1:Everyone who makes me happy in my life. You're like all the podcast people all the podcast people I would mean my less intense photo realize we were to do a wrap up.
Speaker 2:so sorry, and we'll do that next week, do it again.
Speaker 1:Good, my kudos. Well, one is you guys, because you're amazing and really, oh, yeah, well, one one, you guys. And then just really, I mean, yeah, we'll get into it with our wrapped episode, but right now, like it's just you guys. It's been so great and always comes back to us in Twilight, you guys in Twilight, yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys.
Speaker 2:Just make in the year make my whole freaking year.
Speaker 1:I get so excited when we get to record and spend some time together and it's a good way for us to hang out.
Speaker 2:I really like it.
Speaker 1:So yeah, you guys.
Speaker 2:I love you. Thanks, I have. I have a couple List them off. Well, like Stacy said, one is Cole, because he just hung out with us and took our pictures, so tell him thanks. And they turned out so good. Yeah, kudos to him, to his my friend, bob, it was his birthday yesterday and he also just retired this week, so big kudos to him.
Speaker 1:And that's so exciting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, big week, big week, hi Bob.
Speaker 1:And Bob is like my favorite name, by the way. I don't know why, I just like it.
Speaker 2:And then obviously, you guys. I love, I love hanging out with you guys and yeah, it's been a great year with this podcast, so I feel like we just get better every year, but that's my personal opinion.
Speaker 1:I don't know what the best thing you better every day, baby, like a fine wine. The listeners like they work on that audio though. Hey, it's been pretty good the last couple times.
Speaker 2:So yeah, thank you listeners, thank you guys also. I mean, we appreciate you guys listening.
Speaker 1:Truly kudos to you kudos to you and make sure you read what you like. It's sticking, it works, it sounds really good Chanel ever gonna not laugh when you do it. That's a good ending line you want to say it one more time Read what you like.