The time is here, we are finally covering the EPIC story of "Manacled", by Senlinyu. Join us, Chanel, Stacy, Ashley and our special guest Elle as we journey into the layers of this incredible fanfiction.
Magic is more than just wands and spells; it's about the emotional bonds that form in its shadow, the sacrifices made for love, and the strength found in the midst of a war-torn world. We dissect the moments of vulnerability that bring characters like Hermione and Draco to life, moving from the strategic tension in war council meetings to the intimacy of their blossoming relationship.
Warning:
This work is dark. Rape and non-consensual sex are a significant and ongoing aspect of the plot. There are also character deaths, psychological trauma, descriptions of battlefield violence, and references to torture. Reader discretion is advised.
Author's Note:
The characters in this story are not mine: they belong to JK Rowling, whom I happen to not be. The initial inspiration of this plot occurred when watching the first episode of The Handmaid’s Tale. In homage there are elements of it maintained throughout the story. The title High Reeve was drawn from Lady_of_Clunn’s use in her story Uncoffined.
This story diverges from canon following the conclusion of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
Summary:
Harry Potter is dead. In the aftermath of the war, in order to strengthen the might of the magical world, Voldemort enacts a repopulation effort. Hermione Granger has an Order secret, lost but hidden in her mind, so she is sent as an enslaved surrogate to the High Reeve until her mind can be cracked.
***Produced by Jen Hardin***
The time is here, we are finally covering the EPIC story of "Manacled", by Senlinyu. Join us, Chanel, Stacy, Ashley and our special guest Elle as we journey into the layers of this incredible fanfiction.
Magic is more than just wands and spells; it's about the emotional bonds that form in its shadow, the sacrifices made for love, and the strength found in the midst of a war-torn world. We dissect the moments of vulnerability that bring characters like Hermione and Draco to life, moving from the strategic tension in war council meetings to the intimacy of their blossoming relationship.
Warning:
This work is dark. Rape and non-consensual sex are a significant and ongoing aspect of the plot. There are also character deaths, psychological trauma, descriptions of battlefield violence, and references to torture. Reader discretion is advised.
Author's Note:
The characters in this story are not mine: they belong to JK Rowling, whom I happen to not be. The initial inspiration of this plot occurred when watching the first episode of The Handmaid’s Tale. In homage there are elements of it maintained throughout the story. The title High Reeve was drawn from Lady_of_Clunn’s use in her story Uncoffined.
This story diverges from canon following the conclusion of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
Summary:
Harry Potter is dead. In the aftermath of the war, in order to strengthen the might of the magical world, Voldemort enacts a repopulation effort. Hermione Granger has an Order secret, lost but hidden in her mind, so she is sent as an enslaved surrogate to the High Reeve until her mind can be cracked.
***Produced by Jen Hardin***
Fucking opens up Like this is what like four pages of my, yeah, crying, crying, balling were god?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean I was, and he's crying too. You're like his teeth probably hasn't cried in years in. Yeah, I'm, I was, but it was. Were you not crying? Yeah, I was the first time I read it, okay it's intense.
Speaker 2:God, I might that one else Did you do you cry? I think I'm a cry at least not a cry.
Speaker 3:I don't think I've ever seen you cry.
Speaker 4:Oh, I was crying. I'm a cryer.
Speaker 3:We know you are privately, not in public.
Speaker 4:But I'll cry alone.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm a public cryer.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, it was just. It was just, I was on my pillow. It's just tears.
Speaker 3:Because you think she has it bad. Never just assumes that she has.
Speaker 2:Hi, this is Chanel.
Speaker 4:Hi, this is Stacy. Hey, nerds, this is Ashley and this is fanfic fanatics.
Speaker 1:You.
Speaker 4:Sound like Mavie.
Speaker 3:Okay, hey guys, welcome to a very special episode. We're covering part two of manacled, the flashbacks, and we have one of my best friends here with us to do a deep dive, ellie. She's a beautiful angel. I work with her, she's a nurse and she's probably one of the first people had breed manacled and she is by far the most obsessed Person. She has had more people read this book.
Speaker 4:Well, and I know and listen, I saw her the other day at a dinner party. Well, I saw it before that at work and she handed me the stack of papers and I know it wasn't first and it was her notes from the dress, the flashback. It's like 25 pages Front and back, single spaced, highlighted. It's amazing.
Speaker 3:I did my homework. She's prepared. It was incredible I know that's I'm saying. The level of detail, dedication I like made my outline from her nose.
Speaker 1:I know I don't you go. I still need to do my outline. I said here take this.
Speaker 3:She was like you're take this and I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:It's awesome, so you've gotten other people to read it.
Speaker 1:I Will never stop telling people about manacled. It is my favorite book because Stacy started me. The first present she gave me book binding was breath mints and battle scars. And she's like you can't do manacled yet. I tried to save her into manacled and I it's my favorite book I've ever read. That's not much Okay.
Speaker 2:So we started talking about this. So, like, what Did you like about breath mints and battle scars versus manacled, like which Obviously you love manacled more, but like I guess there's a lot of parallels, I feel like between both of them, but Like with dark Draco, I guess.
Speaker 1:but I like manacled.
Speaker 4:She wasn't moving, though, but it was like, yeah, it was just, we please cut this out.
Speaker 2:So like which Draco, I guess, since they're both dark Draco's, but I guess what do you like about each of them? Or what didn't you like about breath mints and battle scars, that you like more about the manacled Draco?
Speaker 1:in comparison of the two, manacled Draco takes the cake. I don't know. I can't even tell you about Breath mints and battle scars, draco, because I can't remember it, because I think manacled Draco has like Squashed everything, yeah, yeah, like pink.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think it's got to be like the possessiveness of him and, like Me and L, they're very similar. Like the toxicity of him, in the beginning, like he's such an ass, but then you're like you fall for him. He would literally burn that whole world down, which he does for her.
Speaker 2:I think it's like it's because there's a redeeming quality, like I feel like breath mints and battle scars, draco, because I liked that that thick, but like it doesn't there's not a turn a switch for me in that thick that there is, and manacled, where like he starts out toxic and Terrible and awful, but then he, you find out like his reasonings why, and it's because all because of her, because he has this motivation and love for her and like obsession with her, and and so you're late him in the beginning, yeah, but then you're like, oh, it's like he has a reason for why he like it's.
Speaker 2:It's because he wants to be with Hermione. He, you know, it's the core of his actions, of why he's so terrible and awful as this death eater and high wreath. But I feel like breath mints and battle scars. Draco, he's awful and terrible and, yes, at some point he it like. Obviously he does like Hermione and stuff. But like I feel like there's like domestic violence and like they're like you know what, now that you say that I just I'm like we like he's literally like self-sabotaging, he like goes in that like ice cube thing, like.
Speaker 3:We also need to realize that, like that's an eighth year fix, the maturity level is supposed to be.
Speaker 1:I know someone told me at work. They were like you're reading a book about teenagers having sex and I'm like was it? I can't, was it, steve? But I'm like I can't now. It's ruined, the book is ruined now.
Speaker 4:You know what? No, I was thinking when you were saying that though, when? You brought it up, I was like so I love both fix, but like they're the same but it's so different at the same time I couldn't figure out why it's different in your right. It's like I almost feel like you hate the Draco and manacled more like. Like the author intentionally makes you dislike him so much because your writing is amazing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so that when you do like him it's a much more dramatic feeling, like when it's a switch turns and then breath mints and battle scars which I do love that thing. It's not as a dramatic, that's just like who he is. Yeah, and you're just like you don't hate him as much as you do and Breath mints or as and manacled.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like this is who he is and you just find the reasoning for why he is but also I feel like at the end of breath mints and battle scars, like, literally, they're still like Toxically making out and it's still like aggressive and rough. And they're like you're like, yes, he doesn't, he doesn't change, he's still like, it's still toxic. But at the end of manacled, I feel like, okay, yeah, they really do love each other. They're still fighting to save each other. They've built this life and blah, blah, blah, like it's changed. There's been a switch. Like I'm like like, is it what? Like in breath mints and battle scar, I'm like, okay, like she's just accepted that that's how he is like.
Speaker 1:She whiplashes your emotions and your feelings and I love it and I think that's why the writing is amazing, because her storytelling Is incredible and that's why I love manacled and I wish it was a real book but, I love it that it's in the fanfiction world, mm-hmm.
Speaker 4:So is it safe to say this is your favorite fanfiction?
Speaker 1:This is my favorite book of all time. Like this is Above fiction. Above everything, manacled takes the cake Gosh. I know that's why Stacy was like which part do you want to be at? I said all three, please. I.
Speaker 4:Mean, it's so well-written. I can see that like it is a very story telling story.
Speaker 3:It's cohesive the whole way through. You can tell she thought out the whole yeah. Everything it was the kind of thing which there's something wrong with that. Some people organically like start a book and it like just goes where needs to go, but you can tell that like there's like a specific plan and like destination for everything and it's great, which I feel like this is a great segue to get in.
Speaker 1:Can I read the first part that?
Speaker 1:she even said LA is I know you guys, I, if we're crunched, we gotta get going, okay. So Three years earlier, march 2002, nearly six years after the death of Dumbledore this is the first two sentence that she has. It says Hermione's teeth ground with frustration as she bottled in adult potions. She'd just gotten out of another pointless order meeting. Sometimes she wondered if she were the only one aware that they were losing the war. And I think it's amazing, because then she goes into Lee Jordan had brain matter oozing out. George lost his leg, katie Bell had a porcupine Conjured in her chest, shame as fell into a pit of vipers. And she's like I see this death and we are not winning, and Everyone else in the order is like we're winning, it's light.
Speaker 3:Do you think that's another reason? Maybe you like it like we like it so much or late, so hardcore is like the healthcare aspect of it, of like seeing these traumas with these people and like, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of you you sympathize with her and you're like yeah, why aren't we doing dark magic?
Speaker 3:kill, yeah, kill everyone and I think people who maybe don't I Mean just like people who maybe aren't any kind of healthcare like when they see it they don't realize how traumatic it can be to be someone trying to help in situations like that.
Speaker 4:I Think we touched on this two episodes ago or something About like trauma bonding with people that you work with, and I was thinking about this. Wouldn't you just read this? And in general in the beginning of these flashbacks and stuff, like Hermione's so alone, like yeah, has no one really to bond, like she's just going through all this alone and I think you don't realize how much you need your co-workers and stuff when you go through stuff like this.
Speaker 3:Like I mean, mean Chanel, our best friends forever, because I mean I was gonna say like Ashley, chanel and Ellie both worked at a downtown hospital and Indy so like a high volume like trauma hospital and so that's who you need like in the like Ellie worked in the ER, so she saw crazy shit, and then Ashley and Chanel worked in the OR so they saw even crazier stuff that went up there and it's just like you get through that kind of stuff and I think it helps is because you laugh with your friends afterwards and stuff, and then I can't even imagine like these sound so Crazy. You know, I'm just, and then she's just like I'm gonna be by myself. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:I remember like going through tech school and like our instructor was just like you're gonna see some crazy stuff in the OR and your partners your like friends are not gonna be able to understand what you go through. So it's really important that you make connections with your co-workers and your team in the OR, because they're the only ones that are gonna understand the long days that you work, the cases that you go through, because your your husband, your wife, your spouse Working as an accountant, will not Not comprehend the blood and the guts and the stress that you go through in these OR cases. Yeah, so yeah it's. I can't imagine doing it alone.
Speaker 1:She is all alone. She is yeah, she doesn't really have anyone to go to, she's just isolating herself. And then it gets worse. Because when this mission, I know it's moody, wants to have a word with her, and he says an opportunity has come up and it goes into Diving into mouth boy turning the spy for her to avenge his mom. And so she already is isolated and then it gets a hundred times worse.
Speaker 2:She literally can't talk about what Draco's doing, and what she's doing and you know what to.
Speaker 4:Sorry, that's just kind of clutch with me. I feel like lots of stuff. Trust is such a big thing. I feel like in this and I was saying when we were talking about Especially, I can only from my experience from the OR like trust is such a big thing with the people you work with in a room, like there's some scrubs, it all worked with and I would, literally I would trust anything that they said, like yeah.
Speaker 4:And then other times I'm like no, we're double-checking Everything. I don't trust anything about it. Count this again. No wonder Hermione's like she doesn't trust the order. She doesn't know, bonded with anybody like that she does. I mean she has nobody.
Speaker 2:I mean like there's just no trust there for anything but this comes up again, even because, okay, so she's the most advanced healer, yeah, but then she has poppy palm free. Who's the next advanced the heat? The school nurse, school nurse. And then they start. That says it all right there I looked at LA, the school nurse.
Speaker 4:That's her second. They were like we need her mine.
Speaker 1:Yes, that she is the trained emergency healer and medical potion ear for the order. She's like top dog, top.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so she's the next advanced they start training Padma, but then and I'm just kind of skipping ahead real quick but then obviously when Hermione comes back right bitten by that vampire and and also like blown up and Takes it in herself, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, she asked Padma, or Padma ends up doing that like basic diagnostic test on her right and not Finding out that she was bitten by that vampire. So she's like internally bleeding and she's dying, she's dying right. That goes back to trust, where she's like If, yeah, I don't trust you and clearly Malfoy doesn't, because he ends up having you know, creature, like I said I'm going, well, I'm skipping had creature Taking her because he's like I don't trust the order, I don't trust these other healers. You needed to get fixed and healed and so I have to heal you and you know she's, um, yeah, like she could have, like he said could have died.
Speaker 3:I think it's just like a big thing. Isolation in all parts.
Speaker 2:It's just like a big part of this, yeah and and the people she works with are not good.
Speaker 1:Then, in the beginning of those two, they talk about the significance of Colin.
Speaker 4:Colin creating.
Speaker 3:Yeah that was a big deal.
Speaker 1:How that was. She said it in the beginning. That is the training point of what hi, how the war just changed for her. And then Draco has this huge redemption part when we get to it about how she has this realization. But yeah, colin was because they were two what muggle born um kids In a family and they were both magical and that was a huge thing and her fight for muggle borns and I just think I had home, plus his injury was so horrific.
Speaker 4:I can't even.
Speaker 3:It's still just bothersome, it's a very like If you actually like read and understand, like the injuries that's described here. I mean it would just make sense that like that, these like Sadist, like enemy people would choose this. And then it's absurd to think that Harry and Ron continually Make her feel so bad about wanting to use dark magic. I think people are in porcupines putting their chest or like acid boils and stuff and I'm just like the audacity Hero complex.
Speaker 2:So terrible. Okay, what's next?
Speaker 3:I mean this in the best way, like I have an outline already to go on, like we could let Ellie lead it to like go for it, we'll just take turns Quickly.
Speaker 1:She meets with Minerva, minerva gives her, you know she. She said I hoped you would refuse. And then Hermione's saying how she would do anything for the order and doing this with Draco. She has no idea who Draco is anymore and so she doesn't know what she's walking into, and it finally gives someone a perspective that I don't want you to do this, but Minerva is the only one that told her this, so she has no idea and she goes into it.
Speaker 1:And so then she meets with Snape and Snape's like you have to make him loyal. And so then now Hermione has this complex that she needs to, like, ground him down and make him loyal. And so she has that. And then she meets with Malfoy for the first time, which I feel like this kind of surprised me, because he comes in it with it with does she go with Moody to the first time?
Speaker 3:Moody goes with her the first time, but then he leaves. He doesn't stay very long and then he kisses her but so all right, there you go.
Speaker 1:She meets with Malfoy for the first time and he kisses her to catch her off guard with just.
Speaker 3:I think he's testing to see how good she is with the alchemy in the beginning yeah, and finds out that she's an alchemist like a natural natural one and he is too like him. Yeah, so I think that's the first thing like which we know, because we've read it like what his plan was, all along with this, and so I think this is the first like curveball that he gets thrown when he sees her. Is that like?
Speaker 1:he forgot about her, yeah and then you heard about her because they thought that he had no idea where she was or what she was doing. And then he heard that she had this training and she was still there, and so he thought that he could bring her mining to it. But okay, I love.
Speaker 3:This is the first parallel that this scene, the first time they meet. From the first part, she asks something along the lines of like does he want to talk about it? Like all the things he's done, because he's really putting on this front that like he's this horrible person. And she says to him do you want to which? In the first part she was like, he was like oh, it sounds like you want to know about all the people I killed. And she was like well, do you want to like? Do you want to tell me?
Speaker 3:and she does a lot of foreshadowing yeah, and so pretty much after the first meeting he's decided he tells Hermione he wants to teach her alchemist and she gets captured so that they can't figure out that he's a spy.
Speaker 4:Draco and Hermione are so smart they could have done this on their own. They didn't eat anybody else they pretty much did do it on their own.
Speaker 2:They did, they killed him and they escaped.
Speaker 4:I mean they did, but you know what I mean. Like why didn't anybody else think about that until now?
Speaker 1:like yeah, that's why I think they're great characters.
Speaker 3:The other because they are so powerful, hermione's so smart, draco so smart they like challenge each other and we kind of see that back and forth with them their first few meetings like him teaching her alchemist and her trying to block him out, and she just picks it up really quick and he's impressed, he's impressed by her. But it's always like this mental back and forth with them and she ends up she knows that she's like hurt his feelings during one of the meetings. So the next time that they happen to live, she said you are just the same as Voldemort.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we have no idea his relationship with Voldemort is, and so he is irate. And she's thinking, oh, he's better than him, that's why, that's why he's mad.
Speaker 3:I remember that thinking because she still has no idea why he's doing this yeah, she, she thinks that he wants to be the next dark law yeah, this is like some big plan to get like a coop over on him. But so then they do a training session and he's gonna help her because she's not done any field training for like years, she's been stuck healing and he's like, well, that's stupid, like you can't even defend yourself, like what happens. And so when they start training he is, he's like telling her to use shields and stuff and he starts using a steaming hex to like get her when her shields are down and stuff and ends up really hurting her like she can't work when she goes back to the hospital afterwards, like her hands are all messed up. And so I have a quote when they meet again because he you can tell the next time they meet he's sorry, and he tells her that. And then this is the quote I have.
Speaker 3:It says I said I wasn't going to hurt you. He said in a low voice and then I did I'm sorry. She looked at him in confusion. He was such a pile of contradictions I always expected you would. I thought that was great because you I mean you, do you think he you pretty much. Well, we know from the first part he's good, her, her, not necessarily like his choice. I mean, this time it was, but.
Speaker 4:I would like to say house again. Burp will probably end up saying this a lot. How smart he is with this, because any kind of like it also just shows how dumb the order is any kind of military, whatever your medical people need to be trained in some kind of combat at least the basic casualty type care.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because, like, the easiest way to take somebody out is you take out all their medical people and you can't heal your injured or at least get people out. Like you're done and like the orders just like crawler, like it's fine.
Speaker 3:Well, he also finds out that she's like foraging alone in the middle of night all over Britain and she can't even use like any kind of like offensive spells or like there's like taboos on, like obviously Voldemort's name, there's hags and vampires and like all of these dangerous dark creatures in these forests where she's foraging.
Speaker 2:So he's like there's just heightened danger everywhere and he's like this is the dumbest thing ever they took advantage of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they knew. They knew the order wasn't gonna do anything so they're like let's go for this, but so I know the the next big part is Draco giving the prison blue grits, yeah, yeah and that was huge for them. That was the first one that they've had in forever like their first big win and she had no idea what it was gonna do to him yeah which I think it's interesting.
Speaker 3:Again, I like the writing because you read it you're like, oh, that's the big deal, he's gonna be punished. But then later on you realize that like no, like they thought this, the order was perfectly fine with him getting killed for like this. And it's just like, do they not think of the long game in this? Like you just haven't killed off in the first few months that he's a spy after one, like rescue thing on a prison playing checkers well then this brings on his runes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this prison rate is the reason why he has these runes and she they meet, or it had been a month since he had these runes and she had no idea, because she was stuck trying to save all the prisoners that they got back to the order they like barely met mm-hmm, yeah, she had to bring everyone back, and so then, once they finally do meet again, he has these huge runes on his back, which that is a big part of her healing for him.
Speaker 1:I think that's where her empathy comes, and she wants to heal him yeah, so can we talk about these runes, because I'm obsessed with them and the artwork for it.
Speaker 4:From what's the art artist's name of Adele is beautiful yeah, they are back to if.
Speaker 1:I know you need to look at the pictures.
Speaker 2:It is like literally from shoulders to lower back, like these huge, so he got to pick these runes, he got to pick which ones he wanted on his back and he specifically chose these words.
Speaker 3:I'm like I knew you would write the words down, because I didn't.
Speaker 2:I'm just going from my post that I, which is recently posted but don't you love how?
Speaker 3:and then I love how this comes back and, like a subtle way, like she was drawing runes the first time in that room when she yes, I want to talk about this, yeah so the runes mean unhesitating, cunning, unfailing, ruthless, unyielding and driven to succeed.
Speaker 2:So I don't think she actually says the runes in the thick. I think Avondale, she chose these runes which are they're actually like Norse runes. Those are the ones that are in the the drawing.
Speaker 3:They do say in the thick which ones it is, but it's just because I wrote it down. It's it's just her mining off hand thinking about his runes, and it is, it's what you said the unhesitating cunning no, but she doesn't actually write the, the, the, she doesn't sendling you, doesn't write the actual runes oh no
Speaker 2:she just says the meaning of sorry yeah, so, but the only ones that she names are the runes that her mining rights in her like time, which is 30s, as, which is the, and then the opposite, which is Merckstaff, the opposite or like negative effect, and she said like she was the. I wrote the definition. It says like a defensive force, a disruption or a change, and she said that was representing her, or the opposite rune, which is the Merckstaff, and she said meaning unbridled destruction, danger or unresolved conflict, and she said that represented Drake. That makes sense. Yeah, she drew that right beside it on her on her window in, I believe, in the beginning, or maybe it was towards the end, but but I just thought it was so interesting to use those like Nordic runes. And then obviously Avondale went ahead and started drawing like those actual runes on on the pictures and in her artwork and stuff.
Speaker 1:But anyway, it's really cool. I love it, which that I feel takes the next big chunk of it, is about healing these runes, because she, which my favorite part is, when it was the intermittent one and before the, before the big healing, she gives him the heart of Isis. Yeah, I know that's huge and he's he's unconscious at this point yeah, he doesn't know yeah. I know and she kind of, I mean she saves his soul because she wants to heal him and I think you, this is when the part of the building up something's gonna happen yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:She's feeling for him. She wants him to live. Yeah, but that's also her job. It's the mix of the two mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:I know and you're just like I think also like think about that conflict where you're like you're saying she's a healer, she wants to heal someone. She's like this guy sacrificed himself to give this information, to save all of these people, but then, at the same time, she's like this stone was meant truly to save Harry. Yeah, you have to think about that. Like I'm sacrificing this stone for this guy who I don't really know his true intentions. Clearly there's some good in him if he's willing to sacrifice himself for it, to get these runes and to save all these people. So maybe, maybe that outweighs Harry. I can save Harry in the future with something else. Like yeah, but that's like so hard to be, like weighing that out in this moment.
Speaker 1:I don't know like she does her job 100%. I know, yeah, I know she's like he's not gonna survive this. I need to help him survive.
Speaker 2:I have this. I'm gonna give it to him like you said, this is my job. I'm supposed to protect him and be like his handler and I don't know.
Speaker 3:It's just I think all the time this is going on too. She's like dealing with this internal like conflict of what to do and not telling anyone about Draco and then so this is happening, she's alone anyway it's not like Drake was nice to her by any means and then right after she starts healing him. This is when Jenny gets hurt in battle and she gets a curse to the faith and you know, hermione obviously heals her as the only who can like. She's like has a big scar but she's healed and from this Hermione figures out because Ron had smart, which I like Ron in this thick. I like it when they make Ron smart. So he runs very strategic, like he plans the skirmishes and this and stuff and so and he leads a lot of the people. So I mean he's still like not the best care. It's very rare that Harry's the annoying character.
Speaker 4:I would say that's fair in this thick that Harry is much more difficult to like than Ron is like you actually you can see where Ron's coming from. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I just like, don't be wrong, like we can Ron bash whenever. Sometimes it's fun, I know, but you're right, but like it's nice when they give him more dimension.
Speaker 2:Yes, use his qualities for like yeah, what a quote good and he is good strategically and any smart he.
Speaker 3:He went before they bring Jenny there to get healed. He cuts the curse out with like this goblin made knife because he knows that it's like good steel. So Hermione figures out, because she's smart, that this blade, just like the sort of Gryffindor, has like sucked up this curse and so she's like I fucking hate this scene. This scene is this is me off so bad it does order meeting yep.
Speaker 3:So then they have like a debriefing after this happens and they're talking about what to do and like, yeah, they did this prison break, but like so things are not good yeah, it's like because it's hot off of the yeah, just got back from battle yeah.
Speaker 3:And so Hermione like tells them we can destroy these Horcruxes with this, like this is incredible, like we now have a weapon against this. And then it makes her think of the sort of Gryffindor and she's like, oh, and we can find this and we can use this. And Harry just fucking tears her apart, like like that she's a bad person. Like how could she?
Speaker 2:think about Ron and how he's feeling right now, and you couldn't wait and it's like no bitch.
Speaker 3:We can't wait, we're in war.
Speaker 1:This is a war, she tells Harry. At one point she goes I'm capable of thinking of multiple things at once yeah, amen.
Speaker 4:Just because you have an emotional range of like yeah, that's what I was like, yeah, that was.
Speaker 3:That was like multiple things can be true at the same time yeah, but like that's just the other thing, like there is no time to like be sad about like Jenny's alive yeah she's gonna be fine yeah, I saved her and now we have a weapon against stuff, and I think this is like one of the first times they really show like how annoying Harry is in this yeah, you hate.
Speaker 2:I did not like Harry at all, at all there was about maybe two times when I felt some sympathy for him, and then when he went to sacrifice himself, yeah, right at the last, like battle or whatever. And then when he I think he was a coward then, I was in a with him too.
Speaker 2:I was, in a way, I felt like he just gave up and then when he, when he came to apologize, her like it was like one paragraph and he was like you're right, hermione, we should be, should have, you were right, this whole.
Speaker 1:I did, I did, I did, I did. I did that for Jenny, though, didn't he, because he was talking to Jenny?
Speaker 3:no, I think this is right this is.
Speaker 2:It was right before they went to the battle. He was like you're right. Hermione, we should have used magic, and I was like too late, too late too, yes, yes, but I was like okay, maybe he's coming around, and then, but it went on really fast yeah, but then we get to like one of my favorite parts in this.
Speaker 3:So after this happens, like a LA was saying, there's like a big healing where she's going to try to heal the runes in his back and like pull the magic out so that, like it can like actually, close it yeah and I just love this scene because she's gonna do it he doesn't want to be, he can't be knocked unconscious because she needs to like test his movement and stuff.
Speaker 3:So they her big ideas that he should get drunk, like to feel better. And I'm like yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So there's this quote when they start drinking, and I love that you can't really tell that he's drunk when he's drinking, which is kind of like a throwback to the first one, like when she sees him drunk and why she wasn't really drunk.
Speaker 3:But anyway he says to her this is a quote from in that chapter says I must admit he said in a low voice as though it was a confession if anyone had told me that you'd become so lovely, I never would have had come near you. I was rather blindsided. The first time I saw you. I was really sweet, because she doesn't look at herself at all in any kind of like loving way.
Speaker 2:I like it when I'm gonna butcher this quote when he and this is a little further on but when he like, pulls out her braids and then her hair comes loose, and I mean this is my guys, this is their first real kiss to.
Speaker 3:I know this is what I love, yeah.
Speaker 1:I know they're on that love scene and he that the braids scene does happen, and the avondale has this picture of the two of them and it's her just like these luscious locks yeah just staring at each other and I remember he said if you're like, if you don't want me to kiss you, you should tell me to stop yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:I just it's like nice to get like a real connection, even though I had to be hammered to do it.
Speaker 4:Yeah he was like that quote. They say another Draco fanfics. I feel like it's like it's in Latin, but it's like in truth and wine. There's truth and Venus and oh and vino veritas yeah, it's like my favorite quote of all time and wine.
Speaker 3:There's truth, but he also. I like this is also parallel when they kiss in the hallway in the first part, but it says a taste of fire whiskey was on each of their lips. And then I think in the first, like in the beginning, it says like he tasted like fire whiskey and said when they kiss, and I just want to drink fire whiskey, okay, I don't it's probably fireball in our world.
Speaker 1:That's why. I was like okay, never mind I don't drink it, never mind, it's not good they said it just tastes like like cinnamon liquor another thing with the kiss is that she, while they're kissing, and it's meaningful, you know what?
Speaker 4:that was we both like.
Speaker 1:Look like I don't know what you're about is that she, her mind starts to wander and she's thinking of all the mean things that he's starting to say to her. And so then it abruptly stop. Stops their kiss, they're too drunk to operate. They fall asleep on the couch together and I don't know why, but when they're trying to get up, I laugh. When they're trying to get up and don't move, he's like you fucking scream in my ear.
Speaker 2:He's like hungover, yeah, and they're like tangled on the couch together but this is a big part where he stops coming back to the shack for like two months which I think it's just because it became too real for him.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, it's like. He's like putting up that wall to know that he can't do it again is this also, when this might be the quote that I was?
Speaker 2:um, because then, when he finally comes back, yeah, she's like why won't you look at me? Why, like, is this like too real for you? Blah, blah, blah. And I think this is the quote that.
Speaker 1:let me see that missing, while you're looking that up, he, she goes foraging and she gets injured.
Speaker 3:She gets injured yeah.
Speaker 1:And so this that's where it like wraps it all together that I'm going to take care of you now, because he witnesses her just bleeding in the in the shack, and that's where it starts back up again, and then they start seeing you do more and more.
Speaker 2:Yes, Okay, my quote is because I freaking loved it is him talking about his manacles, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:I love the references all through this.
Speaker 2:I know so because, like I said, she's just like why won't you look at me? Like what's going on? It like our kiss. And he like kind of cuts her off with this quote. He's like you want me to look at you, granger? He said, fine, I'm looking.
Speaker 2:It's delightful, I must say, to see all the guilt in your eyes. You know, I used to think the circumstances of my servitude to the dark lord were as cruel and enslavement as anyone could conceive. But I admit it pales somewhat beside you. I suppose no one realizes how light one set of manacles is until you have two. And then I'm just skipping. So forgive me if I dislike looking at you. I'm still adjusting to all the ways the new ones chafe. But essentially this is when he kind of tells her that now he's enslaved to the order and now you know he's binded to them with this new vow that he's taken, and blah, blah, and it's starting to click for her. And that's when I started crying. That's when I started crying, but it clicked for her mind but also for me, where I was just like, oh yeah, like he this truly is, you know, him being bound to the order, like he has to do everything that they say everything that they want. He has to give up and and he chose that though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah I mean he chose to be the spy, yeah, but I think I'm like no, I think you're doing.
Speaker 2:She thought he was coming in from more of a power stance and he had all this control like, oh, you know you wanted Hermione and you know you were working your way to the top. And I think she's now realizing he's as as much controlled in all of this as I am. He came in broken. Yeah.
Speaker 1:He was broken and he wanted to redeem himself. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think it kind of clicked for her and she's like oh, Back to the foraging, though.
Speaker 1:This is when she starts to say don't die, jericho. Oh my God, he leaves.
Speaker 3:And then he's like only because you asked and I think that's the first time I think they play this game a lot where like they care about each other but they don't want to act like they care about each other, and then it like will slip out of certain parts and so I like that like sprinkled in. It's definitely you get a lot more hope sprinkled in than in the first part, for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then another big thing is that she confronts Nate, finally, of being left in the dark. She had no idea that he, when his prison, raids were going to happen, that this was just going to be the end of Draco, he was going to stop spying for them.
Speaker 3:And then yeah she's frustrated.
Speaker 1:She's like I did all these things for him. And then Snape tells her you have until the end of the next month to demonstrate. You have some kind of control over him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and there's actually a really good quote there that happens from a snake that I like, and it's like this parallel to the manacles, and they're like you have to show some kind of control, because he has to have some kind of like purpose, keeping him loyal to our side. And then Snape says he would be quite deadly for everyone involved if the manacled of his servitudes were ever removed. And so just saying like if he was just like on his own, doing ever he's like, so powerful, like I mean honestly he at this point, especially with the heart of Isis, he's more powerful than Voldemort too.
Speaker 1:So, like they know, Did the order think that he was going to turn into the next dark lord too?
Speaker 3:I think a lot of people did just because no one knows why he was doing what he was doing. So I just think I maybe I think Snape's smart enough to know, maybe that wasn't it, but I think definitely everyone in the order is just kind of dense with that and they're like he could only do this because he wants to control everything, yeah, and obviously her mind he didn't know at that point what his motivation was.
Speaker 2:Right, this was when she was like writing down notes, like I need to find out, like he kind of likes me and you know she's putting those notes under her bed, right, and yeah, I need to like get him with my feminine wiles and all this stuff. And yeah everyone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it doesn't really know his his motivation, so yeah, Well, the next time they meet they start the hand to hand combat. Yeah, the first time they have sex, I love it.
Speaker 3:Well, I just want to talk really quick. This is also right before that happens, right before they have sex for the first time they go to. She has Christmas at the, at the bar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got to talk about that.
Speaker 3:And I like that because I feel like I skipped right over it. Oh, it's okay. Well, it's because the part that happens after is so great. Well, yeah, I think this scene is definitely there to just kind of like see me even more than like how delusional Harry is to an extent, because he tries to apologize to Hermione and was like you're my best friend, even though he hasn't acted like it in three years.
Speaker 1:And what happened to us? Disconnected?
Speaker 3:She's just like no, like, I'm not going to play this game.
Speaker 1:Well, and he's looking at the Weasleys and he's yeah this is my family. Yeah, and where does Hermione? Yeah.
Speaker 3:And then, well like, and they didn't even ever think to ask about our parents. He just realizes there that, like, her parents are gone forever and it's like what a best friend I know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like so caught up, but honestly it's a little manipulative. Like you know this could be like what happened to us and it's Christmas and it just fixed we need to be happy.
Speaker 3:So I think, I think that scene was just important because it shows the disconnect between yeah, her and everyone else, You're right, it totally showed it where you're.
Speaker 2:Just like. She's literally like coming back from these meetings and just like exhausted and worn and he's like, yep, we're doing so great in this war and, like you said, you know I'm with the Weasleys and it's just like how you feel bad for Hermione yeah. And like what's going on.
Speaker 3:And like you also feel it too, because Arthur's there and he has that mind thing that's going on. And you know she can tell that Molly blames her to an extent because she couldn't fix him. It's just like everyone just expects her to do everything, like she's beating herself up. So I think it just makes the scene more powerful.
Speaker 3:That happens after that Like so she has all that thing from Christmas like on her, and then pretty much everyone keeps telling her, like if you can't prove that Draco's loyal to the order, to you, then we're in a tournament, like it's got to end. And so she knows that they've been doing this like push-pull thing where they like, like she knows she's smart enough to know that he cares for her, like from him, her giving the cloak, the lessons, the like knives, all this. And so she pretty much is like I got to break down, pretty much she's no, she needs to sleep with them, to like get that physical connection with them. And so she's like, oh, is really loved as this physical connection. Yeah, so I just I like the phrase he says to Hermione after it happens that like oh, you've locked, he knows like, he knows he's been sorry, he knows he's been had. He's like, oh, you've locked your chest piece into place. And she's just like, yeah, I did.
Speaker 1:She made him loyal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I'm like okay, but then can we talk about how then he like he fucking opens up.
Speaker 1:Oh, he has the confession of his life afterwards. This is like four pages of my notes are crying, crying.
Speaker 2:He's just bawling, God yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean I was, and he's crying too and you're like he probably hasn't cried in years. And yeah, I was, it was. Were you not crying? Yeah, I was the first time I read it.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:It's intense, god I might did you cry?
Speaker 2:Did you cry? I don't think.
Speaker 1:I'm a cryer.
Speaker 3:Ellie's not a cryer. I don't think I've ever seen you cry.
Speaker 4:Oh, I was crying. I'm a cryer.
Speaker 3:We know you are.
Speaker 4:Privately, not in public. But I'll cry alone.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm a public cryer.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, it was just. It was just. I was on my pillow and just tears running out.
Speaker 3:I was just like well, because you think she has it bad. Yeah, Everyone just assumes that she has it. You know what I mean. But no, he.
Speaker 1:Within. Voldemort's army is awful.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:They all like work against each other.
Speaker 1:They don't trust anybody. Yeah, and it's his mom being tortured by Voldemort and it's his family's fault.
Speaker 2:And he was like 15 years old. Like you know what I mean, he's just a boy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, just a boy, and then I love it.
Speaker 1:So he gives a confession about Narcissa and how Voldemort has tormented her. He put her in a cage when he was home. There was one time they were eating dinner and his mom's hand was shaking so bad that he puts a fork through her hand to get it to stop shaking. And so then you understand completely this is why Draco?
Speaker 3:was doing this.
Speaker 1:And then at the end of his confession he says I can't do this anymore. I can't care for someone. Again, I can't, I can't take it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because his whole plan with his mom was that he, even before the order, before Hermione, he was trying to figure out how to escape with her because his mom which is just an incredible parallel- because it's the same with Hermione his mom refused to leave without him, and so he can't go anywhere because of his dark mark.
Speaker 1:And I don't think he thinks he's special enough for someone to care about.
Speaker 3:Exactly, I think he's special enough for someone to care about. I think he's special enough for someone to care about. I think he's special enough for someone to care about.
Speaker 2:I think he's special enough for someone to care about you, you, you, you, you, you about it, but like Harry is the center of yeah but but when Draco shows, I'm like I had full body chills when I first saw this first time.
Speaker 3:And he shows up and she talks about how, like beautiful and like just deadly, he looks from far away it's that he showed no hesitation as he mowed through panicking death eaters around him the hummingbird. Well, first of all, I think people forget. Do you remember when he melted the ground? I know I love that hell through and then he closed it and I was just like oh, the fan art with this is amazing, you know, but the hummingbird like when he creates the hummingbirds and they kill everyone and I just like can we just take a second to think about.
Speaker 2:He probably showed up to the scene because he obviously knew I was a trap. And then he's like what the fuck is Hermione doing on this field?
Speaker 1:like her like that is mine or his cousin or his uncle who has her? Yeah, it's his adult uncle, it's.
Speaker 3:Bellatrix's husband.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like so he has his uncle holding her, like ready to kill her, and he just shows up and he annihilates everyone.
Speaker 3:Yeah he's like oh my god, crazy. Also, I like to point out, towards the end he starts killing everyone, including the order, like he has that suffocation spell on everyone except for Hermione. He's just like what? And she's like can you please not kill them? Yeah, can you please just let them go? You should have, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was like I don't want to we like takes him to the operation point and and then takes her away.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh my gosh, oh my goodness. It was. It was an intense thing and I also have a quote in here from that.
Speaker 1:We find it can I talk about real quick too, about how he takes her to the shack to heal her, and this is the parallel.
Speaker 3:Well, where she tells him you could become a healer that's what it. You have a natural talent for it. I love it, which makes so much sense now that in the beginning he's like yes, I've heard it from enough people you've told me already because like she tells him, like twice and that I healer tells him and then you realize okay, well, yeah, it's like, I just really like that too and then mouth away.
Speaker 1:Warning warrants her mining about her survival.
Speaker 3:He goes, I will make pot or pay if he gets you killed yeah, and I think that's the big thing and I feel like maybe what's true, she doesn't know how to handle that, like someone wanting her to live and stuff, because you can tell she's a total martyr. Like she doesn't think there's any. She says a lot of times that there's like nothing for her after this war, even if they do win, and well, like you said, I mean because everyone sees her as expendable, so yeah, you are not expendable, you are not replaceable, mm-hmm yeah, I love it, sorry, sniffled my shirt up.
Speaker 1:I saw her look at you and I stop is what?
Speaker 3:but I just yeah, I love that quote that she's not expendable. There's there's great art for that. You're not replaceable. But right after this happens, this is when we get the roof scene with Harry, which is really beautiful. To get it this way when we got it and the like, the snippet of it in the in the beginning, yeah, um, but also just kind of makes you mad at here because it's like he knows deep down what he's doing, like he's so self-destructive in this thick yeah he gets in fights on the side and stuff, and then she heals him and I just think she's tired of everyone's bullshit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, but it's like that's her only way.
Speaker 1:I like just like healing them is like her only way to kind of stay in contact or stay close with them as much as she can, because clearly she understands, you know, that their relationship has grown stagnant and yeah, yeah, I don't know, it's just, yeah, it's really sad another big part is when she goes back to talk the Tonks house because she used that dark magic which we didn't even talk about yeah, I heard a werewolf that's trying to murder Ron, and so she starts to get the effects of the dark magic, and she has no one at the house to help her, so she goes to Draco yeah and yeah.
Speaker 3:This is when she gets like sucked into the battle right on accident and then that's no, she is this. When she gets no, she's what. There's like a bunch of battles that happen yeah, that's a later one, never mind. I'm thinking about the battle after this one no so when you vampire bite, that's the one I'm thinking of it's like the next one, that's where they're at the muggle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, straight or town you're talking about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this last one where Ron almost got attacked. Yeah, he gets bit, yeah she.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you start magic to kill that I think Fred and someone else said that I would have done it too because she was she was like it's almost a full moon. How can you stupefy this? This is gonna take all of our yeah, you can, I'm gonna kill him.
Speaker 3:And so now Ron has like kind of like Bill traits where he's like calf, werewolf kind of, and it is refreshing to see a couple people like see, oh, I see where you're coming from.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's like too little, too late, but yeah, and then can we go to the first, like making love we go to wherever you want to go first of all, this is it's like she, she has this feeling with this dark magic and she and she goes to Draco and I don't know why, but this hotel scene. We're going to this hotel Chanel actually.
Speaker 3:Then when they go to your burger, the salt, will you I? You got to wear an Oxford sweatshirt for me go. I think it's important to note this scene too. This is the first time they've ever been like alone in a non like order, dark, whatever thing. Yeah, safe house. And she seems to record just in like muggle clothing, like he's in an Oxford sweatshirt, jeans and jeans. They're at this muggle hotel, and I think this scene is so beautiful is because he didn't realize that she was a virgin when they had sex and he was rougher with it, and so I just think it speaks of his character in this. The scene is just so beautiful and hot because he wants to like, make her feel good, like, makes it a production of like I want you to feel good and like you deserve this and you just really like him for it as here.
Speaker 1:It wasn't comfort, it was claiming yeah, yeah. This is when he, this is what it's, yeah for yourself to me this goes from like to like.
Speaker 3:He like acts like he doesn't want to. He's literally like you. She tries me out of bed and he like clings her to him other thing I'm like throughout this it's obviously like sexy and yeah comforting and like they're together, but then, towards the end of like the scene, she's like I gotta get back, they're missing me.
Speaker 2:I've been gone for so long. And he's like no, like stay here, have breakfast with me, like you know. And yeah, he doesn't want her to leave. So like his attitude is totally changed towards her. Like you said, it's very possessive and claiming and she's the one that's like I need, I need a moment, like I need to leave right now. And he's like his, his outlook for with her and their relationship is switched. And she's like I think she needs a moment to process that things have changed now and like reevaluate what's going on with them and I don't know. I like it, I like that feelings flipped literally like he just flipped a switch.
Speaker 3:He's like I've given in, so here it comes. Yeah, and the artwork for this is great you're my girlfriend, friend, mean you for the resty.
Speaker 1:But another part with this it's just, I love it how he was, like now and after the war. You promised it I'm gonna take care of you. I'm not gonna let anyone hurt you.
Speaker 3:You don't have to be lonely because you're mine these like few chapters with them, like doing these hotel meetups and like being with each other is like one of the few beautiful comforts I know because then she's like he like, kept calling me, like with the ring he would like all the time and yeah yeah, and she has time now because the orders implementing Padma more to do the helium stuff.
Speaker 3:So I really like it. But now, now, because you know he's Claimed her hundred percent, with this hundred percent that we're making him do all kinds of shit all the time, like it's very obvious, like he feels you get this sense that he knows like the end is coming with this stuff, like it can't continue like this. So I have after this, after they can spend time together, the hotel and stuff. This is the big battle that I was talking about, where she it's like this big thing, it's another trap. You know you drink, will, even warns them but basically will more and them Are attacking a muckled town and they know that'll drive the order out, like all of them. And I get it to an extent. But it's like Draco's telling Hermione it's a trap. She knows she's and even they know they're like but we're still gonna go and so they bring, they're bringing people back to be healed and Hermione, like tries to grab someone she's it was Kingsley's legs, he's done he knew he was hurt.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He was hurt, he, he drops off like Ron or something, and yeah, he's hurt. And so she's like, let me heal you. And he, she grabs him and gets sucked, like you said, into the. Yeah, like, anyway, draco sees her to, yeah, he's pissed?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so he which? Are we ready to drop the bomb that Draco kills Kingsley? Yeah, and he knew he was hurt too, but you don't know that until the end. So you think that he's starting to now Get in the way of the order, and he's starting to kill the order.
Speaker 2:Harry and Ron see him kill Kingsley. So yeah, fuck Draco. Yeah, killing.
Speaker 3:You know he killed our highest like commander, but when you hear it later it was like it was like a mercy killing, yeah because, he was hurt and like dying already and Draco knows that if they, his people, would have got him, they were gonna torture him to death.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like trying to get him in.
Speaker 2:him was easier, yeah, which is also when I talked about earlier Hermione. So she's instead of just fucking operating back. She sees like these little kids or other Younger people hurt. So she's like grabbing people to take with her to operate back. And that's when she gets bit by a vampire.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then she gets hit by the acid curse, then she gets hit with an acid curse right in the middle of her chest, so her whole chest is like slowly opening up and she's like losing her ribs and and she goes. She heals for hours, yeah, so she like finally gets operated back and his creatures spying for Draco and creatures like the mudblood is hurt. Take, take her back to Grimald place and she's like Padma, do a Diagnostic on me. Padma does a basic diagnostic.
Speaker 2:She's like yeah, you know, um, I can heal you with this in, like heal your ribs, and and she, he knows she can't, yeah, yeah time I need to heal people, I'll take this cough, suppress it, as I'm dying yeah yes, but doesn't catch the fact that she's why I'm only bleeding from the vampire bite and, like you said then, creatures like something's wrong with you because and and knew that she was obviously hurt, so he Apperates her which, like manner, crushes her chest, even break all her bones, sends her to the manner Draco's there and knocks her out and he heals her chest, stops her from bleeding and he was like you are you were minutes from dying.
Speaker 1:He was pissed.
Speaker 3:I mean any shit. I think he just goes back to the like no one is take, no one is looking out for her, like even, and now it's Draco.
Speaker 3:Yeah thank God because she's one who trained Padma. And there's a scene later when she gets back and she's so mad at her and it's just like what are you doing, girl? Like this is. But this is also the scene After she wakes up from Draco healing her and stuff. She pretty much tells him like he's so mad he was like you could have died like she's like a full body cat I have warned you.
Speaker 1:If something happens to you, I will personally raise the entire yes, this isn't a threat, it's a promise.
Speaker 3:Consider your survival as much a necessity to the survival of the resistance as potters. If you die, I will kill every last one of them, given the risk of their lives. It's apparently the only way to make you value yours, because when that seems happening, she's pretty much like well, I don't care if I would have died, I saved all these people and he's like the fuck you do. Yeah, I fucking care.
Speaker 3:Crazy but there's also I don't know if you guys caught this, this made me so sad at the very end of Of this of him healing her, she realizes that they're at the manor and stuff and she doesn't like it there and he's like, well, I never come here, like because of his. Yeah, this mom, she, this is Hermione, who's Hermione's eyes light shut, and then she suddenly grips his hand tighter, don't leave me alone in this house. And he says I won't.
Speaker 1:And I was just like Because you know what happened in part one.
Speaker 3:Yeah much.
Speaker 1:She hated it there. Yeah but I think in true Hermione form. While she is at the manor Sen Lin you writes the library scene and I think it's funny Because he's like I want to see your library, or she said that and he said I was wondering how long that would take.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's just like the little light moments in there that that make me happy. Guys, we're getting towards the end of the flashbacks here. This is when things get real dark. Yeah, so I hope everyone's buckled. It hasn't been dark. Well, the little library scene was a cute little fluff for the end of the end to come in so pretty. After this, after they lose so many people, the orders like okay, well, this, we got to do something like a final stand, and this is where the idea for like the final battle comes in. They know they need to get to Hogwarts because Harry's for sure that there's a Horcrux there.
Speaker 2:Real quick.
Speaker 3:Draco and Hermione destroy Helga's oh yeah, I forgot all about that, that's another Horcrux, so boom that's gone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they just figured out alone. It took Draco a week and it said it would have taken him less time, but he had something yeah, with green dots and he couldn't get into the vault.
Speaker 3:He's like I had something to do real quick, Just literally handing out solution. Well, Draco is literally hanging out solution.
Speaker 2:Yeah it Draco and Hermione like could have got this done, like, like so.
Speaker 3:So then again it goes to Hermione. They're like, well, we can't get into Hogwarts, blah, blah, blah. She's like we'll all make a bomb, because why wouldn't she make a bomb?
Speaker 1:sure he does everything else yeah she already does everything else. Yeah, there is one scene where she's talking to Severus about the bomb, and I think this is a good part of how she writes the humor with Severus. But she told, she tells him there are some cushioning charms, where I, where I could risk them, but don't drop it. If you said, thank you, miss Granger, without your warning it would have never occurred to me to be cautious with a bomb.
Speaker 3:I love.
Speaker 2:Okay, thanks, asshole, I love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then they start saying their final goodbyes to each other, because Lucius has come back to Britain, she's not gonna see him as often and then so it takes her. What two weeks to build the bomb. Yeah for the battle of Hogwarts. And this is a big scene too because it I'm free tell like they hadn't realized that here is a work.
Speaker 3:I feel like the scene was so clever, like cannon wise, it would have been so clever that someone could figure it out like that Because of someone, I mean, who knows if this is a real spell, but like if anyone would done any kind of like mental diagnostic, he would have two magical signatures, yeah because of the soul.
Speaker 1:And she figures it out from the Helga's cup that the signature is in Harry, and so then she tells him. But so they're having tea together. She finally realizes that Harry is a Horcrux, so she panics and goes yeah, she wasn't supposed to go to the battle at all.
Speaker 3:She promised Draco she was not gonna go.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, and then she rushes into the battle. Harry's.
Speaker 1:Rushed like this part felt rushed.
Speaker 3:I think with how long this is and how yeah, I get that. I think maybe that was like the urgency that they wanted to place on it. Yeah, maybe. But I agree like everything seems pretty drawn out for the most part and then all I mean all this happens in like three or four chapters like yeah, but her making the bomb, so the bomb goes everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the bomb goes off if they are able to be into Hogwarts and then Harry's in the castle and they have to, like, bring him out to this tent and meet Hermione.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Hermione's where the death eaters at this point? Yeah, they're just, they're caught off guard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're so caught up, they're like, damn, there's a bomb. I Hermione's like let me just run this diagnostic on you and double check and he does have. He's like entwined with Voldemort's soul, which essentially means you know, he's like, okay, I got to sacrifice myself, like his death sentence. Yeah, and this was when I was like, okay, like he manned up, he's like I gotta die, like good for him. And of course that's when I cried, cuz Hermione's like, hey, don't like, don't sacrifice yourself, don't like, don't, you know we can figure out something else. She like tells him about his kid. It still doesn't make him stop. But this is when I was pissed because, like I said, he doesn't take a beat. Take a beat and just someone's moving their mic. These are just so sensitive. He doesn't take a beat and count. If they'd gotten all the Horcrux is like think, yeah, like hey, will, will run some emotion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but like will Voldemort, like in the books? Is this the last one did we actually get? Harry has no idea. He's just a minute he's like I'm the martyr, I gotta die. And I'm like, clearly it wasn't, cuz he fucking goes in and he dies and right Voldemort confronts him.
Speaker 1:They, they kill Nagini, they kill, neville does yep. And then he, voldemort, kills Harry, and Lucius is the one to go up to him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I said if.
Speaker 1:I were dead and Lucius is like no, he's not, and so then he just I thought I could offer just multiple times, and Harry is dead completely dead, but then Voldemort's still alive and you're like well, there's one one more out there, yeah clearly like like you're so fucking dumb.
Speaker 3:It's also kind of I mean, harry's death is probably the easiest that happens from you know.
Speaker 2:I mean I know, but still will, and like think about Ron, I mean yeah.
Speaker 3:So after this her mining, he's back up with Draco like it's over, like she knows it's over. She says to him someday I'm gonna love you in a moment that isn't stolen. I know that's where she says that you, you, you you, you, you cry. But yeah, this seems hard because she blows it up and then she pretty it says she has that. So her patronus, which they've mentioned, hasn't like materialized all the way, like been her honor using dark magic.
Speaker 1:So you can't, even before that, like the light she's like, I can't get into my patronus to really truly have these happy moments, to bring it Forward, yeah so then she thinks of Draco and this giant affine dragon.
Speaker 3:I just like it's really. And she, like that, comes out she kills. It says that she kills almost all the dementors in Britain. Can I read it to you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is from part three and it's from Jericho, but it's not gonna be a spoiler. But he said I read the report. You leveled half of Sussex and killed nearly everyone inside the wards. You wiped out almost the entire demented population in Great Britain. You killed 15 werewolves, 20 vampires and half dozen hags. And he said even after you lost your wand, you killed another where werewolf had instead Having you twice before, he managed to stun you. Yeah, I know you tried.
Speaker 2:Insane I.
Speaker 3:Love. This is I mean on, this is probably, like honestly, my favorite Hermione of all time, because she is just such a bad Bitch all the way around, so powerful. Yeah, oh, so, yeah. So she does all this and fucking Montague gets her.
Speaker 1:And then she's taken to Hogwarts as a prisoner and then she, sinlin you, even writes it this end of the flashback. She takes the beginning of part one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like finishes it. Which I will say I like that because it's so devastating to read how the Weasleys die. It is honestly nice that it's not such a shock that you know how they die from the part one, because hearing it in the graphic detail when I happen is horrific and even like Remus, you're hearing how he's dying and yeah, isn't his blood turned to?
Speaker 2:that's Ron.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's.
Speaker 2:Ron. No remiss is like Hanging and I just keep shooting like curses at him and it's how Molly Weasley had to watch all of her kids die. Yeah and Arthur. He's getting like tortured and yeah, it's, it's all just so terrible. And Hermione's just in this cage watching it all too, and she's Trying not to think of Draco, and it's, it's absolutely terrible.
Speaker 3:But again, like all this, like terrible, traumatic stuff's happening and she's thinking they're gonna try to like look in my mind, so I got her tech Draco. So she's like all this is happening and she's reorg, which of course her mind would be like a filing cabinet, she's like reorganizing, thinking of her occupancy to hide him, which really ties into why it makes sense, why she can't remember him and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, which is just so smart. Yeah, it's so smart and make sense, cuz I just kept thinking like how or why? Like I thought something had happened to her, like someone did something to her to make it that way. Like Mm-hmm, I don't know why it makes sense, she did it to herself, but like I don't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think, and it's just really at first, you know, when you're the first prayer, like, oh my god, I can't believe umbridge did this to her. It's so terrible. Then you think, well, thank god that she got put away for like as long as she did, because then it talks about she's able to save him, mm-hmm, about being in the cell, and it is so heartbreaking because she was like doing her mind and like figuring all that out, and then with the spells they used to keep her in there, it kind of locks her mind in place exactly what she was doing. So she can barely remember Draco when she's going in there because she's pushed him so far back.
Speaker 1:And then but I think it saved her in part one because then yeah. She was when Voldemort went through her mind.
Speaker 3:She truly could, could not remember, but I think, the saddest part for me in this whole it's so sad, though, and this whole part is when she's in the cell and her ring keeps burning. She takes it off for three days, because she knows, because it keeps triggering it was like for a day or a day, yeah yeah, something like that. It keeps triggering her to remember Draco every time it goes off. So then when she goes back and puts it on, she can't remember.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not burning anymore, but she can't remember why it's important you then you hear like or he says that when he was looking for her, he knew she was alive. She was alive. But then he like panicked for one day because he thought like, yeah, oh, she was gone or dead or something had happened to her. But then he Like it burned for another day after that and he was like okay, I know she's so he's calling her, yeah, he stopped calling her.
Speaker 2:He knew she was okay, but he still obviously kept looking for her. But like that was the only way he knew that she was alive, otherwise he would have, yeah, given up hope or whatever. So I thought that was just so smart.
Speaker 3:Yeah, did you write down what the last quote is in this part at the very end, because it's so sad in the flashback, or yeah. The very last sentence in the whole flashbacks, like parts, it's like in the darkness set in. That's how it ends.
Speaker 2:And then the how the first part starts she started in the dark. Yeah, she's so. Yeah, it's a good parallel. Yeah, that's great Whoo nice and depressing.
Speaker 3:It's intense. Ellie, how do you feel? I feel great.
Speaker 1:I'm.
Speaker 2:I didn't think I would cry, but I.
Speaker 1:But part three just brings it all together. I think I had the most anxiety reading part three.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm the type of person where, if something's gonna happen, that rug is gonna be swiped out right from underneath you, and I was waiting for that moment to happen. So I was just excited for you guys to talk about it, because I was just no, I I hated the middle part.
Speaker 2:I mean I hated loved the flashbacks because that ties everything together at the end I'm like, well it's, it'll be good or it'll be bad, but I can't get much worse than this.
Speaker 1:Well we wanted them to be together. Yeah, I mean so three was just wanting them to be together. Make it right.
Speaker 2:I guess okay, cuz I kind of was talking when we had Jay on the last episode how did you or did you ever foresee, like, because they kept talking about running away and stuff, did you ever think, like what would it look like if they ran away? Cuz I kept I was some such a pessimist. I guess I was like they could never Be Together away, like after, even if they got away from Voldemort, like I think this island that they end up on that's amazing, like even if I wrote it so well and I know I had no idea how they were gonna end up together or how this is gonna be fixed.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what could?
Speaker 4:they do.
Speaker 1:I had no idea, but I wanted it so badly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you were happy with that ending and, yeah, I was happy with it too. Obviously, like you know, ashley, you were pissed like that. She wasn't acknowledged, but I was like that's the best it could be, them together, happy, isolated on the island. I don't think they ever could have Re-entered withering society as like he would go to jail.
Speaker 1:He didn't ask him.
Speaker 2:Forever, forever and she probably leader he was she probably would have been like branded a terrorist, and you know I mean bombing and killing, all of these I don't know.
Speaker 1:It would have never worked out for either of them, but I'm so glad she wrote it the way that she did. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:What is your favorite scene in the flashbacks? Like if you had to pick one that was like and it doesn't have to be like the happiest, because he's like the one that made you feel the most, I guess.
Speaker 1:I Think battle at Hogwarts was. When I was reading that, I think I was at work so I couldn't fully type into it.
Speaker 2:You guys, work Stacy's always like I'm reading this at work.
Speaker 3:You guys, you don't know you need to work. Okay, we are patient. I know I need a break between my life. I wanted to go back to the book so badly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I should have been sitting in private and reading it because I I was like I have chest pain right now. Yeah, I need to get back to this book. It the way that she wrote it, and I think maybe I felt so rushed with it because my emotions were rushed with what is going to happen? Yeah, but I still love Draco at the scene where they are getting Ron. Yeah, just comes in.
Speaker 4:That's by far one of the best ones, yeah, like he's gonna protect her, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:So those are my two favorite scenes. I think, just with the way the writing is is my favorite. What about you guys?
Speaker 4:When Hermione takes down Sussex.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's amazing. I knew you'd let.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she wrote it so well too, yeah, and then when she loses her wand and she's still kicking ass you felt like you were Hermione reading that because she's Explaining how she gets the wards and how she lets the bomb in.
Speaker 3:It's all analytical, it's all like she can separate her motion from it. Yeah, yeah. I think I have to.
Speaker 2:I think right before that, when they're at the safe house with Snape and Draco leaves, and Right before that Draco makes the unbreakable vow and he's like I don't trust you, I think you're gonna, you're gonna try to trick me, but you know, I want to make this unbreakable vow, you know. And he's like, because you're coming with me and blah, blah, blah, and then he leaves and and all of a sudden it clicks and she goes. You know, I'm, I'm taking down Sussex and I just was like that is how Draco, like she saves Draco and that's how she does it, that's how she does it and really like that's my girl.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm like she was like 10 steps ahead of Draco because she wants to save him, like she wasn't even thinking about leaving. She was. It was always about getting him out.
Speaker 1:Yeah and it's instant the way that she can make it up.
Speaker 2:She's like no, I'm gonna protect him yeah and I because I, my whole thing was like if they end up leaving, how does he become the high Reeve like my? That was my whole thing. I was like somehow, if, if he's on the record books at at that prison, I was like. I was just like how does it ever connect? And that was the reason I was like how does she become a prisoner and how does he become so high up? And? And that was the connection. So I loved that scene. And then the other one that I read was the connection where he makes like he makes the unbreakable vow with the order and he's like, yeah, and I'm chained to both the Voldemort and the order.
Speaker 3:He's like only was just getting unchained from everywhere. He's chained to more people. He's never free. Daisy, what about you? I think by far my favorite scene which might be random to you guys is when they get, when he's drunk and she's healing his back. I, I think I like that scene so much, one because it's just like one of the lighter moment even though she's already down his guards down.
Speaker 3:I think it's the first time we really get a glimpse of like how much he cares about her. She talks about his, he talks about her hair, about how beautiful she he thinks she is, how smart she is, and obviously it's a really good spicy scene, but I think I just like it. I like that because I don't know if we said this but he loves her hair, like how it was. Like he sees this old Hermione like it's wild and then when she goes back to the order house that same night and her hair is out.
Speaker 3:Ron makes a comment about how she should keep his back.
Speaker 2:You're so like I'm kept.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I think it just made me like the scene more, because these people who she loves and pretty much gives everything to try to protect don't truly like see her and I think she had her. I think that was like the true start of like, even though they deny it, which is why, sun Lee, sun Lin, you such a good writer. It's like this subtle startup like them caring about each other For sure, and he says my name and I want curly hair like that.
Speaker 3:I know, I was like I like it when I like it when your hair is curly.
Speaker 2:She knows our little Hermione. Yeah, okay, we should do kudos.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay. Um, obviously my kudos is for Ellie. She's amazing. Um, I Just am so happy you wanted to be on and that you love it so much, and I wish you guys could understand.
Speaker 1:I'm only here because of you. I never knew about fanfiction until I met you, I had no idea.
Speaker 3:I just want you to know that when we started this podcast and I like slowly started telling people at work, ellie was one of the first people I told because she reads she really was and I was like, okay, well, she's not gonna judge me, and so I slowly brought her into it. She got, you know, close to some of the first books I've made that are rough, and then she read it first book binding days.
Speaker 1:I've held on to those.
Speaker 3:I know I have one of the books that I made her of. Manacal is like in a different state. She has had so many like.
Speaker 1:Brought this it's like the book to these people who've never heard of it so the girlfriends that I grew up with, I made them pass it around because even just um which I know, I'm kind of in the middle of your kudos but even I had a Christmas dinner with my girlfriends last year and we had Harry Potter theme. So, like my, my girlfriends from home are big Harry Potter people and so I knew and they loved it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, we're obsessed so, apart from just like reading fanfiction, she's your amazing friend and I love you, and I love you too, one of the best nurses I know, and that's a good kudos.
Speaker 2:I Also give kudos to you. Thank you for coming over. It's been fun. I love how in-depth you are. We'll have to have you on for another thick please your second favorite.
Speaker 3:It's fun right friends and talk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I explained it to someone. I was like it's a book club.
Speaker 2:My other kudos is for Ashley. Thank you for for the coffee today.
Speaker 4:Yes, I think it is coffee, my favorite local coffee coffee shop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, thank you guys. Also, stacy, it is, she's okay, I love you.
Speaker 3:She's a two. You guys are okay, you're the best, thank you.
Speaker 1:I know she does hype me up.
Speaker 3:I'm having a lot of. In case you want to know, we're really big with an agreement. I'm having a lot of like to guilt right now like why I?
Speaker 4:know, I know you're great. I actually I have Three kudos, so bear with me. My first one is obviously to Ellie one. She looks amazing, right now.
Speaker 3:I know we are filming, I know it's annoying, so you guys can see her can see her, but she looks so cute.
Speaker 4:It was so early this morning. She's like ready to go with her notes. I just love the energy. Yeah, you're just an amazing guest and I love that you love this fix so much. Yeah, yeah. And I love that I get to collect Stacy's friends that she makes. Slowly gotten into the ER crowd, and that goes into my second kudos, which is for our producer, jen Hardin. She had like a Christmas dinner for the ER. I got to go. I wasn't even there, chanel.
Speaker 3:I have to work I had to work and Ashley was there. I understand.
Speaker 2:You're like I'm Stacy for the night.
Speaker 4:When was there? A twin was. It was the fanciest dinner. And then at our house, at our house.
Speaker 3:You have no idea.
Speaker 1:the incredible party yeah but like amazing, yeah, I need to go like a hallmark movie. Yeah, like I'll show you Of the setting, the candles, the car, and yeah and then you see her and then she may.
Speaker 3:She's the kind of person like you wouldn't like If you weren't friends with her, because she's so beautiful like Ellie.
Speaker 2:I love it. We're going. We're going travel.
Speaker 4:I would tell you about the gift that she gave me. But she's giving one to both the use. I won't ruin it, but you'll cry when you see it.
Speaker 1:Oh, I think I already knows about it.
Speaker 3:I know about it. Sorry to cry, just say it work, because she gave me I got.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna get to the so oh my god, I'm not telling Chanel.
Speaker 3:It's always surprised when we'll post a photo so you guys can see what it is.
Speaker 4:Once it's ready, he goes. Oh my god, I was showing people at work really big now too.
Speaker 1:I've seen it on social media other places too, and it's I love it.
Speaker 2:Well, she's super like creative and stuff. So, I'm sure it will be amazing.
Speaker 4:Oh my gosh, she's so funny and then my last kudos is for my friend Ashley. She's just had a hard time I'm recently and things are looking up and I just love her so much and I just want to give her all the love and kudos yeah we like Ashley.
Speaker 3:We do love her because, vice president, she will read the Kindle Unlimited books I recommend. Even if they are about nodding, she'll also read all of our fanfics, I mean she's Diving into everything too.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, she was on our our first Manicled episodes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I told Stacy, I said, she sounds really smart, she's yeah, cuz I told Ellie how many books you read this year she's the smartest person.
Speaker 4:I know I told her I was like you should be like an NPR doctor or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I would just trust you with anything. She just knows things that like I. I'm like am I a fake nurse? I feel like I'm a fake nurse. You're a real nurse and I'm a fake ones. I don't know any of this stuff that you know. I anyway.
Speaker 3:I am a fake nurse.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's mine and for you guys, obviously, cuz I love you yeah yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 4:Well of course I have to kudos.
Speaker 1:My husband and my kids love you so much. We love you, chris.
Speaker 3:Watching the kids.
Speaker 1:Listen to this.
Speaker 3:Make him listen to it.
Speaker 1:It's before we, before I came here, I almost made him do the Harry Potter house. What's your house. I'm a Hufflepuff. I.
Speaker 3:Don't think. I think Ellie is a Gryffindor through and through, okay okay but I like Hufflepuffs too. I don't know that when I first took the test I was Hufflepuff, and then I took it again and made myself be as litter and yeah, I mean that's true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I also did love my patronus, which it's a are you the rag doll cat too? No, okay, so I'm a rag doll cat, which sounds awful, and then you pull up this like pretty princess.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's a beautiful princess. Think of like the aristocats, like the little kid with the pink.
Speaker 2:I mean I love cats, so I'm a, I'm an otter. Yeah, who's?
Speaker 3:the cat, then I was a wild rabbit. What were you? A fox.
Speaker 1:Oh, I never mind, I don't know, but I love, I love a cat.
Speaker 2:What is like? Does it say anything about it or no, it's just no.
Speaker 3:I was focused on the pretty picture it was it's like an all, like it's a white fur coat and like just it is really cute. I wonder what he would be.
Speaker 1:I could see Chris being a Slytherin. I know, and that's why. I wanted him to do it because I you have said before, with Hufflepuffs and Slytherins, because I really wanted to say I married a Slytherin, but I have no idea what he actually is.
Speaker 3:Well, because then I think that. But I think I think deep down I really am a Hufflepuff, I think I want to be a Slytherin, but I think personality-wise I'm a Hufflepuff, but I think Theo's a Slytherin, but I think also there's a Ravenclaw and Slytherin. I'm just kidding. I'm actually coming in with blows today.
Speaker 4:I'm just kidding. But I don't think he's a Ravenclaw, so I'd go more to Slytherin than Ravenclaw.
Speaker 1:That wing eight you got. Yeah, my real kudos is to Stacy you brought me into this world. I had no idea and I love it that I was telling Chanel before we started everything that I hadn't read the Harry Potter book until or I read it in college because I, when I first heard about Harry Potter, I was thinking who are these wizard?
Speaker 3:and yeah.
Speaker 1:Fell into it hardcore, and then you brought that world back to me again. I had missed reading about Hermione and Harry and Ron and Draco and you know the Draco and Hermione world is Huge and I love it and I'm here for it and I'm never gonna leave it.
Speaker 3:I love you, I want you to, I love it and I want you to know that LA now gives me fanfic recommendations. I'm reading perfectly in pieces because you send it to me.
Speaker 1:It's good so far. Which can I tell you after I read Manicold? I read the auction and I do not suggest it. Going from dark to dark is Wrong. I know I couldn't read the auction. I was skimming through it because I I need a very similar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you need a parallel.
Speaker 4:You have to read the other two first read the right thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did.
Speaker 4:Okay yeah, and you should read those first. Anyways, I feel like the auction is a lot more powerful.
Speaker 3:It is, after, the right thing to do as a person who read auction first and then those, I know everyone says you shouldn't do it that way. They are correct. Do not do it, because then you have to go back to read the auction because you missed so many subtle, beautiful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a lot of tie-ins, but um, yeah, yeah, that's so funny, it's been amazing.
Speaker 1:Thank you guys so much. We love you so much. Bring me back, please yes we will.
Speaker 3:I'll do my homework, I promise. Don't worry, we're gonna take a picture of you holding your notes.
Speaker 1:It's like everyone's on their phones. In here I am with paper.
Speaker 2:I know I love it so much. Yes, thank you everyone for listening.
Speaker 3:And then, before we in this episode we're just gonna tease, we have some really important stuff coming up that will announce in January.
Speaker 4:In January about the.
Speaker 3:Yeah, ellie knows we've ringed her in, but it's gonna be a it's gonna be a great 2024 guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're here for it. Okay, read what you like.
Speaker 4:You.